My room mate is a medical student, and when they do dissection and stuff for anatomy, they get dead bodies to work with which are donated.
I'm sure for veterinary science they probably contract to vets around the area, and supply animals which are already dead and have been euthanaised. Or if they don't, you could always talk to your university about doing this/do it yourself.
Unfortunately it's just the way things go. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. It's nicer to have an old animal which is in pain put down, than to let it live. I understand that some healthy animals get put down.
I'm sure that the trade off wouldn't be that bad, would you rather dissect an already dead animal and learn, or just cut open an animal and f**k it up/cause it life long problems.
Year 8 ?
Gosh im in year 12 and still dont know what i want to do yet ..
ditto!
Haha I've done two years of uni and taken a year off and I'm still confused :p.
Ha! I'm nearly 30, and still figuring it out...
The question should really be: "What do I want to DO when I grow up" - not what you want to "be". You will just be yourself... hopefully doing something helpful for animals, whether in the workplace or in your social life. There are thousands of other jobs besides being a vet that help animals - you could go into politics, as the first ever Minister for Animals, or become an animal lawyer (yes, they really do exist), or an artist or musician with an animal rights message... the possibilities are endless!
But in Year 8, you really have so much time, and no decision you make now will determine the rest of your life. Just follow your instincts, and do the subjects at school which you enjoy the most. If you're not comfortable cutting up dead animals (most of us would feel the same way), then tell your teacher you won't do it and explain why - I'm sure they'll understand.
if you dont want to dissect an animal maybe avet job isnt for you. all the charts in the world cannot replace real life experiance.just think would you like a surgeon who had only looked at charts and never done the real thing cutting into you and poking around.
I am against pointless dissection... the stuff done in high school for biology for example. What do you get out of that? Not a whole lot that can't be watched on a dvd or read about.
But at uni - when you want to become a vet.... I think it's needed. Unfortunately. Gotta be cruel to be kind. You can't expect to read text books about how to perform a certain procedure, and then get the chance to do said procedure on a live patient, only to balls up because you cut the wrong thing... "well that's what it looked like in that text book!" that ain't gunna sit well with the patients human family I'm sorry.
The wildlife place I volunteer at has 2 fridges of deceased animals (either from natural death or euthanasia) which we use for further education classes. Tube feeding is an example. When tube feeding a bird you have 2 pipes you can go down... the throat or into the lungs... choose the wrong one of a live bird and you may have some problems. Do it several times on a dead bird and feel free to accidentally go down the wrong pipe once or twice.
There are some things that need to be done on something real (even though deceased) before doing it on someone real...
I am against pointless dissection... the stuff done in high school for biology for example.
But at uni - when you want to become a vet.... I think it's needed. Unfortunately. Gotta be cruel to be kind. You can't expect to read text books about how to perform a certain procedure, and then get the chance to do said procedure on a live patient, only to balls up because you cut the wrong thing... "well that's what it looked like in that text book!"
I am against pointless dissection... the stuff done in high school for biology for example.
But at uni - when you want to become a vet.... I think it's needed. Unfortunately. Gotta be cruel to be kind. You can't expect to read text books about how to perform a certain procedure, and then get the chance to do said procedure on a live patient, only to balls up because you cut the wrong thing... "well that's what it looked like in that text book!"
Hear, hear!
Are you justifying dissection on already-deceased animals (i.e. who have died of natural causes), or are you justifying the euthanizing of healthy animals to be used for science.
I support the former, but the justfication of the killing of innocents scares me. What makes the animal euthanized for science any less important than all those animals that will be saved by the vet's/doctor's/nurse's skills in the future?
I am against pointless dissection... the stuff done in high school for biology for example.
But at uni - when you want to become a vet.... I think it's needed. Unfortunately. Gotta be cruel to be kind. You can't expect to read text books about how to perform a certain procedure, and then get the chance to do said procedure on a live patient, only to balls up because you cut the wrong thing... "well that's what it looked like in that text book!"
Hear, hear!
Are you justifying dissection on already-deceased animals (i.e. who have died of natural causes), or are you justifying the euthanizing of healthy animals to be used for science.
I support the former, but the justfication of the killing of innocents scares me. What makes the animal euthanized for science any less important than all those animals that will be saved by the vet's/doctor's/nurse's skills in the future?
I don't think anyone said they were for euthanasing healthy animals for the sake of science! But dissecting deceased animals is important not only for learning anatomy (you can only learn so much from a textbook) but also on practicising surgical incision.
Thesedays, students can also perform actual surgeries ie desexing under a veterinarian's supervision.
I am against pointless dissection... the stuff done in high school for biology for example.
But at uni - when you want to become a vet.... I think it's needed. Unfortunately. Gotta be cruel to be kind. You can't expect to read text books about how to perform a certain procedure, and then get the chance to do said procedure on a live patient, only to balls up because you cut the wrong thing... "well that's what it looked like in that text book!"
Hear, hear!
Are you justifying dissection on already-deceased animals (i.e. who have died of natural causes), or are you justifying the euthanizing of healthy animals to be used for science.
I support the former, but the justfication of the killing of innocents scares me. What makes the animal euthanized for science any less important than all those animals that will be saved by the vet's/doctor's/nurse's skills in the future?
I don't think anyone said they were for euthanasing healthy animals for the sake of science! But dissecting deceased animals is important not only for learning anatomy (you can only learn so much from a textbook) but also on practicising surgical incision.
Thesedays, students can also perform actual surgeries ie desexing under a veterinarian's supervision.
i've always thought that the animals were already dead and that in some cases we use "left over" parts.. does this mean there is a chance that they were intentionally killed for scientific purposes? i really didn't think they'd do this in schools?
I am against pointless dissection... the stuff done in high school for biology for example.
But at uni - when you want to become a vet.... I think it's needed. Unfortunately. Gotta be cruel to be kind. You can't expect to read text books about how to perform a certain procedure, and then get the chance to do said procedure on a live patient, only to balls up because you cut the wrong thing... "well that's what it looked like in that text book!"
Hear, hear!
Are you justifying dissection on already-deceased animals (i.e. who have died of natural causes), or are you justifying the euthanizing of healthy animals to be used for science.
I support the former, but the justfication of the killing of innocents scares me. What makes the animal euthanized for science any less important than all those animals that will be saved by the vet's/doctor's/nurse's skills in the future?
I don't think anyone said they were for euthanasing healthy animals for the sake of science! But dissecting deceased animals is important not only for learning anatomy (you can only learn so much from a textbook) but also on practicising surgical incision.
Thesedays, students can also perform actual surgeries ie desexing under a veterinarian's supervision.
Murdoch Uni here in Perth runs a 24hr emergency department run by veterinary students under the watchful eyes of qualified vets. But in saying this - you go to that vet KNOWING that the person performing treatments on your pet is a student.
And I NEVER said anything about euthansing healthy animals for dissection! That is just plain wrong. Clearly. But on that note I think the RSPCA and other shelters, if they haven't already, should set up a program where they send the deceased bodies on animals on to universities for study such as this. Those animals should have at least died for something, rather than nothing.
