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Lennon Bros. Circus in Gympie

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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
11 8 Oct 2010
Oh just realised how old this post is...
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
12 8 Oct 2010
Oh wow what are the chances that its actually on this weekend again...
I just looked up Gympie events its running Thursday 7th Oct (yesterday) until Sunday the 12th Oct!!
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
13 8 Oct 2010
Actually even better they are heading for Maryborough Wed 13th Oct -Sunday 17th Oct,
I definitely want to get out there and protest
Can you guys give me some ideas please for signs or what not. I have never protested before so I have no idea how to approach it effectively
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Arianna Arianna QLD Posts: 27
14 8 Oct 2010
You're awesome girl!!!! I might see if I can head up there to join you seeing as I started this whole debate. I could see if I could make it up for the Friday or Saturday? I'll see who I can bring along.

Animals australia have an AWESOME guide to this sort of thing- http://www.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/DIY_guide.php there you go.

I think the thing that's most important with the anti circus campaign in particular is to remember that to the public we aren't very reputable compared to the animal trainers who work with the animals. They'll claim how much they love their animals etc and they probably do! The point is that it's still not natural for them to be confined like that. They'll say "but they were born in captivity" and I always say "Do you remember that Austrian man who kept his daughter in a hidden basement to use her as a sex slave? She had children to him, they are young adults now and live permanently in a psychiatric hospital because of the damage living in confinement did to them."
The other big point to make is summed up perfectly by Peter Singer "The whole idea that we should enjoy the humiliating spectacle of an elephant or lion made to perform circus tricks shows a lack of respect for the animals as individuals". That would make a good banner.

ANOTHER point to make (sorry if I'm rambling!) is the lion tamer who was eaten by his lions somewhere recently. We'll have to do more research but honestly... Lions in captivity. They're performing unnatural stunts for food.. of course they're going to eat their trainers!

I hope this has helped.
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
15 8 Oct 2010
Arianna said:
You're awesome girl!!!! I might see if I can head up there to join you seeing as I started this whole debate. I could see if I could make it up for the Friday or Saturday? I'll see who I can bring along.

Animals australia have an AWESOME guide to this sort of thing- http://www.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/DIY_guide.php there you go.

I think the thing that's most important with the anti circus campaign in particular is to remember that to the public we aren't very reputable compared to the animal trainers who work with the animals. They'll claim how much they love their animals etc and they probably do! The point is that it's still not natural for them to be confined like that. They'll say "but they were born in captivity" and I always say "Do you remember that Austrian man who kept his daughter in a hidden basement to use her as a sex slave? She had children to him, they are young adults now and live permanently in a psychiatric hospital because of the damage living in confinement did to them."
The other big point to make is summed up perfectly by Peter Singer "The whole idea that we should enjoy the humiliating spectacle of an elephant or lion made to perform circus tricks shows a lack of respect for the animals as individuals". That would make a good banner.

ANOTHER point to make (sorry if I'm rambling!) is the lion tamer who was eaten by his lions somewhere recently. We'll have to do more research but honestly... Lions in captivity. They're performing unnatural stunts for food.. of course they're going to eat their trainers!

I hope this has helped.
Thanks Arianna! Your doubley awesome! Well if you need somewhere to stay up here you are more than welcome at my place!!

Your not rambling at all - some of the things you wrote gave me goosebumps...

Also I agree I hate it when people use the excuse 'they are born into captivity' its bullsh*t.
Battery hens are born into cages aswell but this doesn't mean if given half the chance (in a rescue hens case) they will exhibit and be contented to carry out all their natural behaviours such as dust bathing, scratching for worms, making a private nest, stretching their wings etc...
I'm sure a Lion would prefer to run free and chase gazelle, lie in the sun all day with their cubs then be subjected to hours of training and travelling the country in cages.

I really want to send an email to the Maryborough Mayor but I'm not as good at articulating myself as you have done... any tips?
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Arianna Arianna QLD Posts: 27
16 8 Oct 2010
wild child2 said:
Arianna said:
You're awesome girl!!!! I might see if I can head up there to join you seeing as I started this whole debate. I could see if I could make it up for the Friday or Saturday? I'll see who I can bring along.

Animals australia have an AWESOME guide to this sort of thing- http://www.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/DIY_guide.php there you go.

I think the thing that's most important with the anti circus campaign in particular is to remember that to the public we aren't very reputable compared to the animal trainers who work with the animals. They'll claim how much they love their animals etc and they probably do! The point is that it's still not natural for them to be confined like that. They'll say "but they were born in captivity" and I always say "Do you remember that Austrian man who kept his daughter in a hidden basement to use her as a sex slave? She had children to him, they are young adults now and live permanently in a psychiatric hospital because of the damage living in confinement did to them."
The other big point to make is summed up perfectly by Peter Singer "The whole idea that we should enjoy the humiliating spectacle of an elephant or lion made to perform circus tricks shows a lack of respect for the animals as individuals". That would make a good banner.

ANOTHER point to make (sorry if I'm rambling!) is the lion tamer who was eaten by his lions somewhere recently. We'll have to do more research but honestly... Lions in captivity. They're performing unnatural stunts for food.. of course they're going to eat their trainers!

I hope this has helped.
Thanks Arianna! Your doubley awesome! Well if you need somewhere to stay up here you are more than welcome at my place!!

Your not rambling at all - some of the things you wrote gave me goosebumps...

Also I agree I hate it when people use the excuse 'they are born into captivity' its bullsh*t.
Battery hens are born into cages aswell but this doesn't mean if given half the chance (in a rescue hens case) they will exhibit and be contented to carry out all their natural behaviours such as dust bathing, scratching for worms, making a private nest, stretching their wings etc...
I'm sure a Lion would prefer to run free and chase gazelle, lie in the sun all day with their cubs then be subjected to hours of training and travelling the country in cages.

I really want to send an email to the Maryborough Mayor but I'm not as good at articulating myself as you have done... any tips?
Thanks for the house offer I'm lucky to have family up that way so it might be a good excuse to see them.
I'm adopting ex batts soon and I never even thought if they'd do all that stuff, it'll be interesting to see if they ever return to normal chickens. Poor babies sad

Tips ummm. Use quotes from important people, that makes you seem more credible and proves that you've done research. That quote from the vet fellow is a good one and peter singer is so well known and respected.
I didnt do this but I have been since - when you state a fact say where you found it. So if we were talking about the ethics of slaughtering cattle without stunning you could say "The Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries document on risks to animal welfare without induced insensibility tells us that animals killed in this method will experience pain and distress before losing consciousness". When looking for this info, if you google search something and it comes with a link to scholary information use that! It's more credible than citing Animals Australia etc.
With this issue I think it's wise to talk about teaching our children to respect animals too.

I might send him a letter too! the more the merrier
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Arianna Arianna QLD Posts: 27
17 8 Oct 2010
PS. Here's the link to the news paper article
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/story/2010/10/08/roaring-debate-lennon-brothers-lion-gympie-ban/

really positive I thought!!
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
18 8 Oct 2010
Arianna said:
PS. Here's the link to the news paper article
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/story/2010/10/08/roaring-debate-lennon-brothers-lion-gympie-ban/

really positive I thought!!
Ok thanks so much for your advice, maybe I can write something up and you can look over it for me before I send it? Perhaps we could take a look at Lennons schedule and send a letter to every council they are planning on attending?
I have recently adopted 3 ex battery hens and within days they expressed the exact same behaviour as my free range born hens. Scratching for food, dust bathing etc. They're amazing happy
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Arianna Arianna QLD Posts: 27
19 8 Oct 2010
wild child2 said:
Arianna said:
PS. Here's the link to the news paper article
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/story/2010/10/08/roaring-debate-lennon-brothers-lion-gympie-ban/

really positive I thought!!
Ok thanks so much for your advice, maybe I can write something up and you can look over it for me before I send it? Perhaps we could take a look at Lennons schedule and send a letter to every council they are planning on attending?
I have recently adopted 3 ex battery hens and within days they expressed the exact same behaviour as my free range born hens. Scratching for food, dust bathing etc. They're amazing happy
Yeah I'd be happy to have a peek though I'm sure you'll be wonderful. That sounds like a plan stan! We should do letters to the editors too. That obviously has big effects. Anyway, I'll pm you my email if you like?

Awesome!! That's so cool, I can't wait to get mine.
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
20 11 Oct 2010
Hey Arianna,
Would you be able to help me get together some quick facts on circuses in regards to animal rights etc.
I will get some together and if you get a chance send me over what you have aswell, there are things you may know of that I am unaware of.

The more the merrier lol
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