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Differing opinions, different positions and respect

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VeganAhimsa VeganAhimsa NSW Posts: 53
1 20 May 2010
I wish to bring to ppl's attention some behaviours and attitudes I have found unfortunate in my brief time on this forum.

When a member has a differing opinion or a different position, the idea of a forum is to *discuss the issue*, *not* make personal attacks or make pejorative comments toward the person with the differing opinion or different position. It also does not mean that the person with the different position is being "disruptive" or "divisive" or is being badly behaved. It just means they have a different opinion.

Discussing the opinion in a non-confrontational and respectful way
is how we *learn*. Telling that member they should "get a life" or any number of rude comments is *not* respectful and is a form of
verbal violence.  It is also not a discussion.

If my opinion or position is different to yours, it is not necessary to be defensive. It is not necessary to personally attack. It is not necessary to be sarcastic. It is not necessary to whinge to moderators. If my opinion is different to yours, the best and strongest position to take is to address the comment and *discuss the opinion in a respectful way*.

I avail this respect to you and I do not personally attack you, and I would expect the same regard. The weakest position and most disruptive position to take is to personally attack the member who made that comment and make sarcastic pejorative remarks.

I've been on the receiving end of personal attacks because my position and opinion differs from a select few. I find this very unfortunate and it demonstrates to me weakness and close-mindedness on their part.
If people do not like my opinions, they do not have to read anything I post. If they do not like my position, then they can ignore me. If they disagree with it, they can argue their own position. And if their argument is stronger, ppl will listen to that. They do not need to behave in a puerile disrespectful manner. So I ask for this respect. The same respect I avail those who differ in their opinion. I would also ask that people not make passive aggressive thinly veiled complaints in other threads. It only makes you look weak and whiny.

If you have a problem with me, don't go whinging to moderators because someone differs from your opinion. Talk to me in a respectful manner. If you are not getting enough attention or you need anger management therapy, do the world a favor and solve it off the Internet.

If I offer a differing opinion or position on a thread, that does not make my comment "off topic", it just means I added a different opinion. If this forum is prescriptive and only wants to hear one kind of opinion, then the forum moderators will let me know and I will go elsewhere where people are willing to learn.  Better still have that prescription clearly stated in the rules of the forum. As far as I noted, no rule made such a statement. No offense to those here who are willing and open to other opinions on this forum.  

Thanks for listening. Peace.
VA peace
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Jesse Jesse VIC Posts: 1117
2 20 May 2010
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VeganAhimsa said:
Telling that member they should "get a life" or any number of rude comments is *not* respectful.
This is a fair point. Whether or not you like the way someone is behaving on the forum, please try to remain respectful.

VeganAhimsa said:
in my brief time on this forum.
VeganAhimsa has previously been banned from this forum for spamming under the name LiveVegan. We have asked her again to respect the fact that others wish to use the forum too and to cease this behaviour. For now, we are giving her a chance to participate appropriately in the forum.

Please, if you don't like her behaviour, the best thing to do as she suggests is simply ignore her posts. Thanks.
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xMISSMONSTERx xMISSMONSTERx WA Posts: 2582
3 20 May 2010
Maybe people would have more respect for your ideas and posts if you didn't copy and paste from other websites and actually took the time to write everything in your own words?
Noone wants to read a whole website just because you copied and pasted it into the forum.
That's just my thoughts on the situation.
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Tanyaka Tanyaka VIC Posts: 1219
4 20 May 2010
Difference of opinion is FINE. Going off topic is not. You need to respect other people by not spewing something irrelevant on their threads.
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Aimee Aimee VIC Posts: 957
5 20 May 2010
VeganAhimsa said:
When a member has a differing opinion or a different position, the idea of a forum is to *discuss the issue*, *not* make personal attacks or make pejorative comments toward the person with the differing opinion or different position.
And this would be great if you would actually read our replies and then address them in your replied instead of ignoring all valid points and repeating the same type of quotes which do not address anyone's questions or comments to you.
You cannot come here and interrupt the flow of threads with quotes/advertisements, judge us, and then leave. If you want us to talk about your opinions (like I personally have tried to with you in the past) that is great. But a conversation is a two way deal, not one. Currently what you do is lecture and this forum is not for that.
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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
6 20 May 2010
VeganAhimsa said:
If you have a problem with me, don't go whinging to moderators because someone differs from your opinion. Talk to me in a respectful manner. If you are not getting enough attention or you need anger management therapy, do the world a favor and solve it off the Internet.

If I offer a differing opinion or position on a thread, that does not make my comment "off topic", it just means I added a different opinion. If this forum is prescriptive and only wants to hear one kind of opinion, then the forum moderators will let me know and I will go elsewhere where people are willing to learn.  Better still have that prescription clearly stated in the rules of the forum. As far as I noted, no rule made such a statement. No offense to those here who are willing and open to other opinions on this forum.
The same LiveVegan group on Facebook that banned me for "offering different opinions"? I'm just asking because the belligerence posing as peacekeeping of these two paragraphs is eerily similar.
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Mimziiii Mimziiii VIC Posts: 105
7 20 May 2010
the only reason people get so angry, and disagree with others is because they really care about the cause and are so passionate that if they think their reasons right they will try to push it on to others so they can achieve the outcome that we all want: to stop animal cruelty
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ShadowDoubt ShadowDoubt QLD Posts: 753
8 20 May 2010
Kirrilly said:
VeganAhimsa said:
If you have a problem with me, don't go whinging to moderators because someone differs from your opinion. Talk to me in a respectful manner. If you are not getting enough attention or you need anger management therapy, do the world a favor and solve it off the Internet.

If I offer a differing opinion or position on a thread, that does not make my comment "off topic", it just means I added a different opinion. If this forum is prescriptive and only wants to hear one kind of opinion, then the forum moderators will let me know and I will go elsewhere where people are willing to learn.  Better still have that prescription clearly stated in the rules of the forum. As far as I noted, no rule made such a statement. No offense to those here who are willing and open to other opinions on this forum.
The same LiveVegan group on Facebook that banned me for "offering different opinions"? I'm just asking because the belligerence posing as peacekeeping of these two paragraphs is eerily similar.
weird coincidence...
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_Matt _Matt VIC Posts: 1567
9 20 May 2010
Kirrilly said:
The same LiveVegan group on Facebook that banned me for "offering different opinions"? I'm just asking because the belligerence posing as peacekeeping of these two paragraphs is eerily similar.
On the money Kirrilly! I was banned too. Total BS.
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VeganAhimsa VeganAhimsa NSW Posts: 53
10 20 May 2010
Jesse,

How sad that you and a select few think they have the right to decide what opinions and positions young people can be exposed to. How sad and astounding that you and a select few think you have a greater understanding of the "movement" and what is working than a Distinguished Professor of Law and Nicholas deB. Katzenbach Scholar of Law and Philosophy at Rutgers University School of Law-Newark. Prof. Gary L Francione has not only been working in animal rights and the "movement" long before you were born, he has written numerous books, been interviewed many times, works tirelessly to end animal use and has also worked for years with PeTA in the 80s and has a very deep understanding of economics, of the "movement" and the way industry functions. Yet you believe you know better and feel it's within your right to censor anything which is remotely related to Prof. Francione's abolitionist approach. Truly astounding and sad.

I would have a lot more respect for moderators and this "forum" if you would honestly state in your rules that abolitionist vegans are not welcome here. That would be at least be a truthful position. Your idea of "spamming" is any member who tries to discuss or dare posts anything about abolitionist animal rights. For those who have not been allowed by moderators to find out anything about abolitionist animal rights and abolitionist veganism, then visit Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach http://www.abolitionistapproach.com or Animal Emancipation Forum http://www.animalemancipation.com/forum

I've posted 2 or 3 individual posts in a few weeks. That is hardly "spamming" and yet any member who has a idle thought can start threads with subject lines like "help" or "f**k" or whatever comes into their heads. However, it appears that any mature discussion about advocacy and possible different ways to proceed is not allowed. This is obviously a feel good forum for non-thinkers.  

In regards your comments about "allowing" me to post. You are not "allowing" me or anyone else who is abolitionist to post anything here which does not fit into your narrow definition of advocacy. Your idea of a "forum" is having members who tow the line. This "forum" is a prescriptive one. You also allow people to be openly rude to abolitionists. You quickly round up anything abolitionist and relegate it because it doesn't fit with in with your idea of regulationist advocacy.

I thought there may be some hope for this "forum" and I use the term loosely, that it might be mature enough to allow a difference of opinion, but it is the same as any forum run by regulationists. --no substantive argument, just personal attacks and pejorative remarks. Therefore it is a complete waste of time because rudeness and ignorance abounds.

We have had 200 years of regulation of animal exploitation which has left us with more exploitation in more horrific ways than ever before. For anyone who is actually interested in moving beyond regulation of animal exploitation, Prof. Francione presents important views to consider. At the very least, it is helpful to read and consider another position before dismissing it. His position is not speciesist, and promotes veganism as a moral baseline. A treatment of the difference between real animal rights and New Welfarism (regulationism) can be found in Prof. Gary L Francione's book "Rain Without Thunder: the Ideology of the Animal Rights Movement" (1996) and also his most recent book "The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation?", both by Columbia University Press ( to be published June 2010). If you're an advocate and you haven't at least read "Rain without Thunder" then it's time to get a hold of a copy. It will change your life. Also I recommend you subscribe to Prof. Francione's blog http://www.abolitionistapproach.com. Make up your own mind. Don't allow older "vegans" who are stuck in further regulation of animal exploitation, make your mind up for you.


Best wishes to all
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