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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
21 28 Apr 2011
It's got nothing to do with skin color. My mum was born in Italy, and for all her schooling, and alot of her working years she was abused and picked on.. So I do have compassion.. I have never once 'picked on' someone for being ANY race..

Tell me how they die? It's not like white people kill them, so I'd like to know how exactly they die. If they're in a hospital giving birth, they will be born the same way as ANY OTHER BABY, if they are taken care of in the same way. It's either the parents who are not taking care of their children properly, and not giving them the right care. Or there's actually something wrong with it. AGAIN, whats the death rate of adults got to do with anything? Because they're not cared for? Why arnt they cared for? They're adults.. They don't need a baby sitter? My dad died at 46, and he wasn't saying "NO ONE TOOK CARE OF ME, IT'S NOT MY FAULT IM DEAD".. It wasnt hit fault cos he had cancer.. But he didn't push the blame onto anyone else.. If someone dies, it is not anyone elses fault besides mother nature, or their own.. Tell me the highest reason of deaths for aborigionals? I might google it otherwise
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
22 28 Apr 2011
Causes of Death
Indigenous people have a shorter life expectancy - around 18 to 19 years less than non-indigenous people. The average life span is 57 years for an Aboriginal male and 62 years for an Aboriginal female.

The most common causes of death include:
·         Circulatory Diseases - including heart disease and stroke. The largest cause of Aboriginal mortality and third-highest reason for hospitalisation was due to circulatory disease. The number of deaths caused by conditions such as coronary heart disease is double that of the non-indigenous population. While at State level, there has been a significant fall in age-standardised mortality rates (ASMR’s) for Aboriginal females, there was no significant variation across the State. Statewide, Aboriginals dying of cardiovascular disease died approximately six years younger than non-Aboriginals dying of cardiovascular disease. The highest rates of hospitalisation occurred in the Midwest and Great Southern Health Regions.

·         Diabetes - and other diseases of the endocrine system. The rate of diabetes is six times higher among indigenous people. It is estimated that diabetes affects between 10 to 30 per cent of the Aboriginal population. Although diabetes only affects a small number of Aboriginal people, diabetes–related mortality and morbidity rates are more than ten times those of the non-Aboriginal population. In recent years, some reduction in mortality rates has occurred but this was not statistically significant. Rates of hospitalisation have increased, perhaps reflecting better awareness and access to treatment. Aboriginal people in country areas appear to be at highest risk although elevated rates of hospitalisation occur in the Midwest, Pilbara, Goldfields and Great Southern Regions.

·         Injuries - sustained in accidents such as car crashes. An indigenous person is three times more likely to die in an accident than a non-indigenous person. The Aboriginal population also has high rates of suicide and homicide.  Injury and poisoning was the second most common cause of death and the second most common reason for hospitalisation. Three-quarters of deaths occurred in males. Although rates of mortality and hospitalisation were more that three times higher than for non-Aboriginals, the potential years of life lost per death were similar. Areas of the State with the highest injury and poisoning rates for mortality and hospitalisation for Aboriginal people were the Kimberley, Pilbara, Midwest and Goldfields.

·         Respiratory System Diseases - deaths from chronic disease are three to five times more common. Around half of the diseases are caused by infections. Respiratory infections are 10 times more common in the indigenous population.  Respiratory disease is a major cause of Aboriginal death and the most common cause of hospitalisation for Aboriginal people. The gap in potential years of life lost between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people is largest (13.4 years) for this condition, suggesting this is the area most affected, hospitalisation for respiratory disease is generally higher in all northern and eastern regions of the State.

·         Cancer - particularly lung, cervical and liver cancer. According to the South Australian Cancer Registry, the death rate among the indigenous population is higher because the cancers are typically diagnosed at a later stage.  Although a significant cause of death for Aboriginal people, cancer is one condition that showed the least variation with non-Aboriginal people. There has been no change in cancer mortality rates during the past 10 years and little to no variation between metropolitan and country areas. Higher rates of hospitalisation due to cancer were seen in the Pilbara and Great Southern Regions.
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Kick Kick VIC Posts: 540
23 28 Apr 2011
Don't just copy and paste slabs of information. It's just lazy.

Indigenous people as a whole suffer from higher mortality and morbidity rates due to underlying causes such as their socioeconomic status, their level of schooling, availability of healthcare.

You are more likely to suffer from illnesses such as cardiovascular disease, cancer and diabetes due to your diet and lifestyle. Tell me, if you're discriminated against and constantly have to deal with the label of 'them' and 'us'  how are you expected to better your circumstances?

"Aboriginal population also has high rates of suicide and homicide" This can also be likened to current living situations and feelings of hopelessness that are a result of those. Traditionally, Indigenous people are not offered the same education and employment opportunities that another fairer skinned person might.

So, again. What are these special privileges? Food? Money? What?

By the way, congratulations for letting an Indigenous person into your house. I imagine it was a moving experience for you.
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StephyA StephyA VIC Posts: 329
24 28 Apr 2011
I think it's gone off the track a bit. I don't know how it has got to the situation that Aboriginals find themselves in in Australia. I think the best way to look at it is by closing your eyes and remembering that Aboriginals are human beings. They feel pain, happiness, sadness, excitement, delight. All the things that everyone else in this world feels. I think sometimes when people debate about things they tend to forget that they aren't actually debating about "things" but real human beings who love and feel. I would not want to be in the situation that the Aboriginals find themselves in with lower death average, higher risk of addiction, higher risk of disease, low employment and on top of all that feeling completely displaced from their country. They want to be apart of what Australia is now but they also have a deep, unexplainable connection to their past lives and the land. It runs through their blood and so they are trapped in this sort of limbo place. Neither here nor there.

Anyway, I think the whole eat what you kill thing is better then buying your meat down at the Stupidmarket. But wouldn't it be grand if the majority of us were vego's? How cool would that be?
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
25 28 Apr 2011
Im not ignorant, i am in no way saying they don't feel pain and all the rest of it. If they wanted to make something of their lives, and change their life style, prove people wrong. The problem is, if someone makes you out to be something- and you actually do become that person. Whether someone says your a drunk, and then you become an alco.. Or similar.. Your just making them have more fuel.. Do what people don't expect.. I know it's because of life style, and the way aborigionals live- NOT ALL, might i add. My twin sister dated an aborigional, and his family was very well looked after and they were very respectable, and one of my old friends is aborigional and he's in uni for Law.. - he actually often gets in arguements with people in his family ,and people he knows about being "lazy aborigionals" that give them a bad name. I am aware that it's the few that do the wrong thing that are rememberd and not the good. I just think that majority of people think aborigionals are a certain way.. Prove them wrong.. Don't live a low life, and take care of yourselves properly.. The mortality rate will get better if you don't just let people get the better of you.. Your not the only race that get's picked on.. Asians for instance.. Do you ever hear about asian people not being well looked after? shit.. they could only have one bloody kid- and they're all in pretty good condition these days i believe
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Kick Kick VIC Posts: 540
26 28 Apr 2011
Wait. What are the special privileges? I'm really interested because I'm certainly never encountered anything but disadvantages.
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Beemo Beemo United States Posts: 1259
27 28 Apr 2011
I do understand where rottweiler is coming from to a certain extent.
When I was younger I used to wonder why aboriginal children at school received free uniform, education etc. Until a teacher explained to me that the reason that they get benefits is to help decrease the level of equality between a large amount of aboriginals and other Australians through education. Which does make sense, and I fully support aboriginal people receiving these sorts of benefits.

There are some things that happened at my school in particular that I don't agree with though. At my school there was a room which had a kitchen, television, computer etc. that only aboriginal students and their friends could go to during lunch and breaks. Other students had to spend their lunch breaks outside or in the library. Also there were also camps and excursions that were held only for aboriginal students, this also annoyed me :/

I'm just speaking from experience, and this might not be very relevant but I just thought I would share my personal experiences with these sort of issues. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding as to why indigenous people receive certain benefits, which is why discussions like this occur.

Other then that the only things that I don't agree with is the hunting of endangered species. I don't see why aboriginal people should be exempt from certain laws just because it is a part of their original heritage. I understand that some people like to stay closely in tuned with their heritage, but I think that the well being of the species being hunted should still come first =)
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
28 28 Apr 2011
Discounted education, discounted health care, extra centerlink.. Don't say it's not true.. Because I used to have alot of aborigional friends and they always used to go on about how cool it was to be aborigional for all the 'free shit' they'd say. As i said, my friend is in uni for Law, and he's not paying A CENT FOR IT. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. Not because he's so excellent they just want him to do it. But because his mum gets an aborigional pension. Also, free housing. My sisters ex boyfriend and his family had COMPLETE free housing. Not a cent, again. You can say it's not true or its "just them"
But im pretty sure if i went and spoke to the government and said "i wanna go to uni, i wanna move out of home, and i want gastric band surgery cos i want to lose 5 kilos... do that" theyd laugh at me.. it's just frustrating having to work so hard for everything ive got, then ive got these friends that are like "haha, i get money in my account every week just cos im black".. and that's not my words, thats his words..
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Kick Kick VIC Posts: 540
29 28 Apr 2011
Abbiesaurus said:
When I was younger I used to wonder why aboriginal children at school received free uniform, education etc. Until a teacher explained to me that the reason that they get benefits is to help decrease the level of equality between a large amount of aboriginals and other Australians through education. Which does make sense, and I fully support aboriginal people receiving these sorts of benefits.
Benefits to reduce inequality (which I think is what you meant Abbie) is understandable and should be encouraged. Afterall, it is not disadvantaging other people buy trying to 'bring' Indigenous students to the socioeconmic and educational level that other members of the public are already at and have generally been 'born into'.

Abbiesaurus said:
There are some things that happened at my school in particular that I don't agree with though. At my school there was a room which had a kitchen, television, computer etc. that only aboriginal students and their friends could go to during lunch and breaks. Other students had to spend their lunch breaks outside or in the library. Also there were also camps and excursions that were held only for aboriginal students, this also annoyed me :/
Understanding the different housing and family situations that a majority of Indigenous students come from, I also support excursions and camps for these students that other students may not be privvy to. From a young age, these kids are separated and classed as someone else in the schoolroom and when they leave. It just not just possible for these students to have the resources to attend these things under normal circumstances. Also, given the homelife and often financial circumstances of these families I think it would be beneficial for the community to be able to provide a services like these.

I agree though with the culture/species argument. While community Elders encourage traditional killing methods of these animals and they do not align to 'Western' methods, I don't believe that the animals themselves should be subjected to either slaughter. That isn't a culture thing, it's purely a welfare viewpoint. I do understand however how that can be considered imposing on traditional Aboriginal culture.
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Kick Kick VIC Posts: 540
30 28 Apr 2011
I think you're taking a very shallow view of this Rottweiler. I strongly suggest that you research why things such as healthcare and education would be at a reduced rate to the Indigenous community.

It isn't simply because 'they're black'. There's a much deeper inequality that runs through our country and our government is simply trying to reduce it.
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