Abolitionist Veganism

Live Vegan, it looks like these aren't your own ideas, just someone elses that you have absorbed verbatim. Why are you talking about American groups like Peta, HSUS or Farm Sanctuary? Is it just because you have copied your ideas from the website of Gary Francione.

Francione speaks out against
1) The recent law in California that outlawed the facial branding of cattle.
2) Vegan Outreach's peaceful vegan education campaign.

I think we can infer from that just how much value his ideas have.

Thank you LiveVegan ...

"Welfarism focuses on supply rather than demand."

I agree wholeheartedly with that and I don't mind if they are your words or those you belive of someone elses'. It's OK to agree or disagree with others. This is such an important debate. No one is dissing anyone and this needs to be discussed.

Hey Roy, where did you find where Prof. Francione speaks/writes of these two issues. I'm very interested to read/listen. Thankies.

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animal liberation
earth liberation
human liberation
will only come through education

That says it nicely

Every social revolution is preceded by, or brings with it, a change in the
perception of the world or a change in the perception of the possible or
both. Just as inevitably, these altered perceptions are first seen as ridiculous
nonsense or worse by the collective common sense of the time. . . .
The belief that slaves were not chattels to be bought and sold . . . but
were persons with full personal rights was not only . . . contrary to history
and the Bible, itwas economically upsetting and dangerous. . . . Yet
every one of these “ridiculous” perceptual changes altered the face and
the nature of our world. It is the “common sense” that gradually came to
be seen as ridiculous. —Carl Rogers (1977, p. 285)

I'm just reading this excellent article (http://jhp.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/45/1/106) by Prof Melanie Joy (psychology) who has studied the psychology of speciesism for several years. She conducts workshops to help activists advocate more effectively (gosh we need that!) and works towards integrating justice movements.  She's been an animal/environmental/human rights activist for 15 years. She is writing a book on amimal advocacy.

Whoops ... Melanie Joy's book is out it's 'why we love dogs, eat pigs and wear cows'.
Anyone heard of it/read it?

I found one of her articles on this blog which is core to this discussion ...
http://veganity.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/carnism/

Yes, education IS key. I know we all understand what she calls 'psychic numbing' we just need  help people break through it. Welfare only gives people an excuse to stay psychically numbed!

i think this ammendment to germany's constitution is great evidence for people advocating animal rights -- not welfare. pretty amazing that animals in germany are now entitled to some sense of rights -- even if those rights still fall far too short of what is due.

http://www.ebra.org/ebrabulletin-animal-protection-amendment-to-the-german-constitution_109.htm

many people anti-abolitionist use the argument that "it will take too long", or "it is too far fetched in contemporary society for people to assert that animals are entitled to rights."

this article quashes that.

though still, not yet enough for me to abandon animal welfare reform.... i am getting there though, haha.

Yeah and remember the first animal rights political party was formed in the Netherlands in 2002 'The Party for Animals' and had two members elected to the Dutch House of Representatives in November 2006. The party then secured nine seats in eight provinces and one seat in the Dutch Senate  in the Provincial States 2007 election! Yes, it is possible.