Abolitionist Veganism

Yes, this was the 'Philosophy of Activism' thread. The title was changed at LiveVegan's request to more accurately describe the content.

The Peter Singer thread is here: http://www.unleashed.org.au/community/forum/topic.php?t=761

The responses to the post about Keith Mann were covering the same ground as the discussion in this thread and so it was merged to save the same people having to repost the same points.

Sorry for any confusion.

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Hi Jessie,

I hope this finds you well.

Abolitionist veganism is a huge topic. Placing it all in one post and expecting people to make sense of it is not very practical. What this topic needs is a SECTION called "Abolitionist Veganism". It is obvious from the number of people who have viewed this singular topic and who have responded to it, says that it has at the very least aroused people's curiousity. Going by the comments, many also do not understand this topic. They either get angry with it or dismiss it out of hand because it is not given the opportunity to be presented in a clear way. It is plain from some of the comments that there is confusion about it, and that is why it needs it's own section. Abolitionist veganism is not a threat, and it is nothing to be afraid of.  

If the forum provides a *section* at least this would suit moderators  since it seems moderators would prefer the topic "Abolitionist veganism", for whatever reason, be *contained*.

I and others I'm sure would appreciate a section with this title so that different issues can be discussed clearly within the section. The way it is now, it's a muddle of comments. It would be important to have issues that can then be discussed individually.

yeh, i agree.

but, if it happens, probably better if its called something like what this thread was before or something like it... just so posts can still be relevent from the other points of view.

Thanks LiveVegan, that makes more sense.

That would be great thanks Jesse. I'm getting very confused with all this chopping and changing and all it's difficult to trawl through all the pages ... This makes it seem like Animals Australia doesn't want this discussion which I'm sure isn't true, so opening a new new section is definately the way to go..

There are very few community members who are regularly engaging in these abolitionist discussions (and almost all who do are vegan already; and many are older than the Unleashed demographic). And yet this issue has cluttered and dominated the forum because a few people continue to create new threads on very similar issues.

We have tried to make this forum as habitable for the whole community as we can, not just for a few abolitionists.

This forum exists solely to support and inspire young people to make cruelty free choices and help animals. As abolitionists you've already made the choice to go vegan and so we applaud you. But this also means that you are not the demographic Unleashed needs to reach.

We cannot dedicate an entire forum to a topic that is not engaging the people Unleashed most needs to engage.

But, this isn't about being vegan. It's about wanting to end the use of animals. Isn't that what Animals Australia wants?

I can't believe Animals Australia would not want to be against animal use. Such a shame, you won't allow the discussion, particularly if your demographic is 'young people' as they ones more likely to 'get it'.

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It is generally the same people engaging in the discussions...many of the Unleashed teens are not familiar with the philosophy being spoken of and the way it is being spoken of. Many are finding their feet and I don't think they need to be forced to 'take a side' in their early days which is how these topics come across.
I place high importance on people making their own decisions once they are familiar and all the language, critical thinking/argumentative skills used by writers of animal rights conflicts can often disguise the reality of what's going on and I'd hate for people to be more swayed by an argument than by the facts so I agree it doesn't need to be a separate area on the forum because that would insinuate it's a given that people who care about animals need to be a part of it.

That's my 2 cents.  

Make their own decisions ... once they are familar... with what ... your opinion?

You're welcome to contribute to put your own position forward. I don't understand the 'animal rights conflicts'. There is no conflict, just discussion.  It is natural to want to share thoughts about ending animal use. This is healthy for anyone (young/old) to think about.

An argument is presenting ideas based on some rationale. It's very healthy to have free flowing discourse on something as critically important as animal rights, which is to free animals from their miserable position of being totally dominated and abused and mercilessly slaughtered for unnecessary human desires. That is the reality. That is fact.
I'm not sure what facts you or Unleashed want to present.

Aimee, I can't see anyone forcing anyone to take any sides on anything here. There are questions no one should be scared of.

This approach of heavy moderating could be seen as somewhat unethical. It could appear to be 'unduly influencing' "young people". Why not open the discourse then you cannot be accused of such a thing. If people find the discussion too heavy, they can stay out of that section. Everyone happy then.