Asylum Seekers.

meh NSW • Posts: 2674

31 17 Dec 2010

Valkyrie Uruz said:

Callum said:

No i don't want more 3/4 are houses they are bad lol! More apartments, townhouses and terraces planned well.

Problem about Sydney is that there wasn't really any planning lol

Paris isn't actually that great with traffic either.... like lol if you live in the suburbs not near a train station it would take u a long time to the city! We need more good public trasnportation!

I hate when people bag out public transport. If I have the option, I travel by bus and train rather than drive or be driven. It's more economical, lessens traffic, faster (in the case of trains) and is more efficient. Everyone takes the piss out of public transport, but it's a service that everyone uses or has used at some point. I wish more people used public transport.

I hate public transport, but purely because I'm not a social person and I get extremely uncomfortable and anxious when I'm around lots of people. Though, I still would love for public transport to take over cars and RULE THE WORLD! Mwahahaha!

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...2 WA • Posts: 2307

32 17 Dec 2010

Callum said:

I actually catch the bus all the time but i don't really like buses :S! I love the trams in melbourne and the metros in paris ecstatic

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Lol but Canberra isn't that big enough for trams yet, maybe one day.

Yeah, Perth isn't big enough for trams. We have a pretty good train system though. It takes me nearly an hour to drive to Perth from my house, but I can get there in forty minutes if I take one bus and one train. tongue

Although I still have to drive to get to the bus stop.
I love living in the hills, but damn it can be inconvenient.

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meh NSW • Posts: 2674

33 17 Dec 2010

Valkyrie Uruz said:

Callum said:

I actually catch the bus all the time but i don't really like buses :S! I love the trams in melbourne and the metros in paris ecstatic

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Lol but Canberra isn't that big enough for trams yet, maybe one day.

Yeah, Perth isn't big enough for trams. We have a pretty good train system though. It takes me nearly an hour to drive to Perth from my house, but I can get there in forty minutes if I take one bus and one train. tongue

Although I still have to drive to get to the bus stop.
I love living in the hills, but damn it can be inconvenient.

I love Perth. Perth has THE BEST transport!

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...2 WA • Posts: 2307

34 17 Dec 2010

sarahbentvelzen said:

Valkyrie Uruz said:

Callum said:

I actually catch the bus all the time but i don't really like buses :S! I love the trams in melbourne and the metros in paris ecstatic

!

Lol but Canberra isn't that big enough for trams yet, maybe one day.

Yeah, Perth isn't big enough for trams. We have a pretty good train system though. It takes me nearly an hour to drive to Perth from my house, but I can get there in forty minutes if I take one bus and one train. tongue

Although I still have to drive to get to the bus stop.
I love living in the hills, but damn it can be inconvenient.

I love Perth. Perth has THE BEST transport!

I wouldn't know... I've never been to Melbourne or Sydney... or any other state for that matter, so I can't compare. D: MELBOURNE HAS LORD OF THE FRIES.

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Courtney_1 VIC • Posts: 335

35 17 Dec 2010

sarahbentvelzen said:

Courtney_ said:

Kirrilly said:

Courtney_ said:

I think that we are already pretty over-populated and personally, what happened was horrible but I don't nessecarily agree with all of them coming in here.
I mean sure, most of us did too - But they're going to come here and probaly get a home, money from the government and a good job, a big upgrade from their country while people like us are still trying to pay off houses after many years, etc.

My opinion.

Being over-populated is not a matter of opinion, we are or we aren't. And we aren't.
Why would the government just give them a house? They aren't suddenly rich when they come here, they're just safer.. And I wouldn't consider driving a taxi or running a 7-11 as a good job, they have to take what they can get which usually isn't much..

-_-
The roads, the traffic - They are always packed with people, escipally where I live and if we continue to let people come in the country like this, the problem is going to get worse. Besides, houses are being built everywhere in Whittelsea, which was all country - It's destroying the land, environment and a place for where the kangaroos live.
And it's funny because most people that come into my school who lived overseas have more money than anyone here would have. The government gives them money.

The traffic problem isn't due to asylum seekers though. We have a traffic problem because we're idiots. We didn't plan our roads properly, and no one understands what car-pooling, or 'taking public transport' means. Instead of buying your child a car, get them a bike. If you work in the city, take public transport. It's quite simple, but we are so spoiled that we need to drive to the city with the air con blasting and music blaring.

I'm not saying that it's de to the asylum seekers, I'm just saying the more people we let into this country, the bigger the problem is going to get. And it's much easier for most people to get into their car and drive to work than to walk to the nearest train station and catch the train to work - Not many people are going to see public transport as an option when they have their own car.

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meh NSW • Posts: 2674

36 17 Dec 2010

Courtney_ said:

sarahbentvelzen said:

Courtney_ said:

Kirrilly said:

Courtney_ said:

I think that we are already pretty over-populated and personally, what happened was horrible but I don't nessecarily agree with all of them coming in here.
I mean sure, most of us did too - But they're going to come here and probaly get a home, money from the government and a good job, a big upgrade from their country while people like us are still trying to pay off houses after many years, etc.

My opinion.

Being over-populated is not a matter of opinion, we are or we aren't. And we aren't.
Why would the government just give them a house? They aren't suddenly rich when they come here, they're just safer.. And I wouldn't consider driving a taxi or running a 7-11 as a good job, they have to take what they can get which usually isn't much..

-_-
The roads, the traffic - They are always packed with people, escipally where I live and if we continue to let people come in the country like this, the problem is going to get worse. Besides, houses are being built everywhere in Whittelsea, which was all country - It's destroying the land, environment and a place for where the kangaroos live.
And it's funny because most people that come into my school who lived overseas have more money than anyone here would have. The government gives them money.

The traffic problem isn't due to asylum seekers though. We have a traffic problem because we're idiots. We didn't plan our roads properly, and no one understands what car-pooling, or 'taking public transport' means. Instead of buying your child a car, get them a bike. If you work in the city, take public transport. It's quite simple, but we are so spoiled that we need to drive to the city with the air con blasting and music blaring.

I'm not saying that it's de to the asylum seekers, I'm just saying the more people we let into this country, the bigger the problem is going to get. And it's much easier for most people to get into their car and drive to work than to walk to the nearest train station and catch the train to work - Not many people are going to see public transport as an option when they have their own car.

If we don't fix the problem ourselves, ie get rid of our cars, etc then we are going to blame 'over-population' and asylum seekers.

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Ellim United Kingdom • Posts: 480

37 17 Dec 2010

First - let's be straight. Asylum seekers ARE NOT illegal immigrants. The VAST majority of illegal immigrants (including the so called 'queue jumpers') come to Australia by air not sea. Most illegals are 'over stayers' rather than asylum seekers.

Second - Australia DOES NOT have a huge problem with illegal immigration. A lot of countries do. Statistically, Australia is not one of them.

Third - A person has to be pretty desperate to try and sail to Australia, in a boat that would never meet any kind of safety standards (or even in a non-boat - I'm sure you all remember the bath tub from Indonesia)

Finally, look at this: http://www.ajustaustralia.com/informationandresources_factsandstatistics.php

ETA: and this: http://www.mattgranfield.com/2010/12/dont-turn-the-boats-away/

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meh NSW • Posts: 2674

38 17 Dec 2010

EJay said:

First - let's be straight. Asylum seekers ARE NOT illegal immigrants. The VAST majority of illegal immigrants (including the so called 'queue jumpers') come to Australia by air not sea. Most illegals are 'over stayers' rather than asylum seekers.

Second - Australia DOES NOT have a huge problem with illegal immigration. A lot of countries do. Statistically, Australia is not one of them.

Third - A person has to be pretty desperate to try and sail to Australia, in a boat that would never meet any kind of safety standards (or even in a non-boat - I'm sure you all remember the bath tub from Indonesia)

Finally, look at this: http://www.ajustaustralia.com/informationandresources_factsandstatistics.php

Yep. Totally right. Instead of turning away refugees, let's get rid of all the travellers from the UK and the US that are over-staying. Australia is way too kind to them, but we're extremely suspicious of anyone from the Middle East, Eastern Europe, etc.

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RaV3N WA • Posts: 2152

39 17 Dec 2010

Callum said:

We also need to look at the way we live. Most people live in 3/4 acre block in a big house and some people live on large hundred acre rural blocks! Come one people land is very valuable we can't be living this. We need to develop well planned, sustainable dense cities. Doesn't even have to be completley high density, many european citys like Paris which is mainly medium density throughout works very well. Also distriution! Australia needs to take in more people from the world because we can! And even within in Australia, we can't all live in Sydney and Melbourne - we need to expand other major cities sustainable and well.

Piss off, I'm keeping my half acre + 300sqm house, and plan on upgrading to several acres (20+) in the next 5-10yrs. I don't want to live in someone elses pocket, or being handed a tissue by my neighbour when I sneeze.

I'm all for asylum seekers, as long as they don't whinge when they get here. They are coming here illegally, and then have a cry that they don't get a fair go once here. What do they expect? If we did the same (hopped in a boat and went to their country) we would be turned around, or put in jail. If you want to come here, then do so legally. It probably costs the same? I know some countries won't let people leave, and if that's the case then something needs to be done by the UN or something???

Yes the conditions are reported to be a little less than average, but you need to remember where they are coming from. I'm sure the conditions are much better. In QLD they are living in 3 or 4 star hotels! Some people in this country don't even live in houses. I feel that sometimes the Government's priorities aren't where they should be in regards to this, as I actually know people who are waiting for housing and are living in friends/families garages or caravans.

We are not over-populated as a country. In metropolitan areas we might be getting there however. Not like China/Japan/etc though. But mind you, I don't like most people and hate having people living within 10m of me, so the more space for me, the better.

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Ellim United Kingdom • Posts: 480

40 17 Dec 2010

RaV3N said:

I'm all for asylum seekers, as long as they don't whinge when they get here. They are coming here illegally, and then have a cry that they don't get a fair go once here. What do they expect? If we did the same (hopped in a boat and went to their country) we would be turned around, or put in jail. If you want to come here, then do so legally. It probably costs the same? I know some countries won't let people leave, and if that's the case then something needs to be done by the UN or something???

Sorry Raven, this is just factually wrong. Asylum is not the same as illegal immigration. In many circumstances the people who are seeking asylum don't have recourse to go though the 'proper channels.'
On top of that, a large number of the asylum seekers currently in detention have ALREADY BEEN GRANTED the status of genuine asylum seekers by the UN. That's all the UN can do for them.
The UN is not a police-body. They cannot force other countries (both members and non-members) into doing things. They can't get involved in direct action.

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...and the recent boat tragedy.