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PaulV PaulV NSW Posts: 47
31 4 Apr 2011
Chewie said:
PaulV said:
pfd said:
As a vegan I try to live a cruelty-free life, and that extends to all species, omnivores included.

There's just no room  for *hate* of any kind, and it saddens me that some people are so extreme in their beliefs that they think it's ok to do so.

Education is the key.
i dont think not allowing people to harm animals through your actions in any way is about 'hate'. It like not helping a murderer murder. the not donating does not cause the death, that has been caused for another reason and more often than not the cause of the organ failure is the eating of animals in the first place.
It is hateful and extreme. More often than not? Care to offer some proof of that? ive worked with many sick children and their need for organ donations has not been from them eating animals. The eating animals does not directly cause death either; the death is caused by industry workers. Me not eating animals doesnt mean im saving their lives.  

By your logic you might as well refrain from having children, and living too. Just because someone eats meat (and may become vegan later on, it took me 22 years) does not mean theyre a murderer, a bad person, or deserve to die.
i'm telling you there is no hate, its not extreme either it is based on not wanting to hurt animals that is love. You think animals are less important than humans, I think that is extreme. The proof is there coronary heart disease is australias biggest killer, vegans do not die of coronary heart disease. the death of the animals on the other hand is directly caused by the consumer, its how economics work supply demand. If there is no demand the product is not produced. I am not making a judgement on any person, i'm making a judgement on the act of eatin animals, it is wrong, if the person sees it or not, it causes pain and suffering and I wish to play no role in allowing that to happen
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Sarah19 Sarah19 VIC Posts: 62
32 4 Apr 2011
I think this is totally absurd. Organ donation is a gift, when we die why take organs, etc, I am a complete doner, meaning skin, bones anything that can help another person, meat eater or not. It's pretty simple as vegs, vegans, we care it's as simple as that.
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PaulV PaulV NSW Posts: 47
33 4 Apr 2011
PaulV said:
Chewie said:
PaulV said:
pfd said:
As a vegan I try to live a cruelty-free life, and that extends to all species, omnivores included.

There's just no room  for *hate* of any kind, and it saddens me that some people are so extreme in their beliefs that they think it's ok to do so.

Education is the key.
i dont think not allowing people to harm animals through your actions in any way is about 'hate'. It like not helping a murderer murder. the not donating does not cause the death, that has been caused for another reason and more often than not the cause of the organ failure is the eating of animals in the first place.
It is hateful and extreme. More often than not? Care to offer some proof of that? ive worked with many sick children and their need for organ donations has not been from them eating animals. The eating animals does not directly cause death either; the death is caused by industry workers. Me not eating animals doesnt mean im saving their lives.  

By your logic you might as well refrain from having children, and living too. Just because someone eats meat (and may become vegan later on, it took me 22 years) does not mean theyre a murderer, a bad person, or deserve to die.
i'm telling you there is no hate, its not extreme either it is based on not wanting to hurt animals that is love. You think animals are less important than humans, I think that is extreme. The proof is there coronary heart disease is australias biggest killer, vegans do not die of coronary heart disease. the death of the animals on the other hand is directly caused by the consumer, its how economics work supply demand. If there is no demand the product is not produced. I am not making a judgement on any person, i'm making a judgement on the act of eatin animals, it is wrong, if the person sees it or not, it causes pain and suffering and I wish to play no role in allowing that to happen
and no it doesnt make them a murder, it make them complicit in the killing. Murder is defined as the killing of humans. Instead of getting defensive about how you used to be, realise the pain that your diet, through ignorance caused. It is an atrocity on a scale that has never been witnessed on this planet. I am in the same shoes as you, i ate animals my whole life up until ten years ago, and I have to live with that but I am not going to say I didnt do it, If i say that I am to not  blame for the deaths of all those innocent animals that died to fill my belly  It denies them the dignity in their deaths that I know now they deserved.
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PaulV PaulV NSW Posts: 47
34 4 Apr 2011
also I would like proof that the all the children you work with who are sick arent sick because of eating animals, or if not them, their parents.
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
35 4 Apr 2011
PaulV said:
Chewie said:
PaulV said:
pfd said:
As a vegan I try to live a cruelty-free life, and that extends to all species, omnivores included.

There's just no room  for *hate* of any kind, and it saddens me that some people are so extreme in their beliefs that they think it's ok to do so.

Education is the key.
i dont think not allowing people to harm animals through your actions in any way is about 'hate'. It like not helping a murderer murder. the not donating does not cause the death, that has been caused for another reason and more often than not the cause of the organ failure is the eating of animals in the first place.
It is hateful and extreme. More often than not? Care to offer some proof of that? ive worked with many sick children and their need for organ donations has not been from them eating animals. The eating animals does not directly cause death either; the death is caused by industry workers. Me not eating animals doesnt mean im saving their lives.  

By your logic you might as well refrain from having children, and living too. Just because someone eats meat (and may become vegan later on, it took me 22 years) does not mean theyre a murderer, a bad person, or deserve to die.
You think animals are less important than humans, I think that is extreme.
How about you don't put words in my mouth. I never said that and I don't think that, Daly.
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
36 4 Apr 2011
Sarah19 said:
I think this is totally absurd. Organ donation is a gift, when we die why take organs, etc, I am a complete doner, meaning skin, bones anything that can help another person, meat eater or not. It's pretty simple as vegs, vegans, we care it's as simple as that.
Absurd, yes.
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Taxidermied Baphomet Taxidermied Baphomet NSW Posts: 292
37 5 Apr 2011
Well i want to help people and animals in my life and hopefully after my life. I am a doner, and i hope it will go to someone who will go on with life doing good for our world. I want all of me used, for saving peoples lives directly and the rest used for scientific research.. our bodies will rot anyway..
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Jacqui T Jacqui T NSW Posts: 796
38 5 Apr 2011
PaulV said:
Hedwig said:
May I ask on something that I had on my post- would you have a grudge against a family member who eats meat for asking for an organ?
all of my family are vegan happy
Well that's good for you, but that's quite rare. Most people on here know and love someone else who is a meat eater, and would be so damn heart broken if they were knocked off of a donation because they choose to eat meat. What about the lives you are ruining then? You must see that its not only the person who needs an organ, its their surrounding loves too.
If we could choose to only give organs to veg*ns, then that would allow people to only give organs to straight people, or white people, or young people... because they don't agree with the lifestyle.

I know I moved away from the question then of "would you donate" but I know the whole "if we could only donate to.." is being thought about. We can not catergorise people in that way, enough people are dying on the waiting list as it is.

I think there's a limit to everything and that's my limit. Here your only thinking about changing one person's food choices, why not do something else when you die that would help change others? When Kim Kearney passed earlier this year, her daughter set up a fund for Oscar's Law and Save Our Strays- instead of sending flowers, we put money in the fund.
That certainly raises awareness on a bigger scale, and thats what I'm going to do when I pass. I will save lives and that includes humans, but I will be raising awareness of animal cruelty when Im long gone too.
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Teegzie Teegzie QLD Posts: 28
39 5 Apr 2011
xMISSMONSTERx said:
Everyone looks at the negatives and thinks "well what if a muderer gets it?" well, what if a poor little girl dies because of your selfishness?
This is what annoys me with the issue. No one seems to think "What if my organs/tissue will save the life of someone who will go on to do incredible things for the earth and it's creatures?". I don't understand why people always look to the negetive first in most situations.

For me, ultimately, veg*nism is just one of many redeeming features humans can have, and I wouldn't like to condemn someone to death (which in my opinion is what refusing organ donation does) simply because they don't share all of my personal beliefs. The people who recieve my organs or tissue may not be veg*n, but they may be wonderful people in other ways and I think that makes them deserving of any part of me that can help them live their life! happy
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Nobody Nobody QLD Posts: 593
40 5 Apr 2011
PaulV said:
Dark_Cherry said:
I understand both sides to this subject.  
It must be terrible for those in the situation where a certain organ is desperately needed, only to be denied because of a lack of organ donors. Especially for innocent children. Just one person could save the lives of up to 10 people and improve the lives of dozens more.
But I totally understand the other side. Saving the life of a meat eater means more animal deaths and cruelty.
In the end I think it comes down to personal preference. It's your body, your organs, what you want done with them is your choice.

I've yet to decide whether to be an organ donor or not. Whenever I think about it, I go back and forth in my mind.
Did you know in some cases peoples lifestyles are changed completely by receiving an organ? It's believed that organs, such as the heart can actually store memories. It's known as cellular memory.  
There's info about it here: http://hubpages.com/hub/Cellular-Memories-in-Organ-Transplant-Recipients

"Common quirks recorded have been changes in attitude, temperament, vocabulary, patience levels, philosophies, and tastes in food and music."

Imagine if your organs could turn omnivores into veg heads!  broccoli
But even still, I remain undecided.
yes yes, i have read about that... very interesting point
thanks for adding more confusion to the issue for me :
Sorry.  ashamed2
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