organ donation

ha ha thats ok, its why i asked the question. I needed some different perspectives and I think the people in this forum are a wonderful source of different perspectives

"Only the open mind can be ready to listen to something that goes against it. The closed mind can listen only to that which supports it." Osho

seems to be a very emotive issue, hopefully people can respect others views without too much judgement

I think most people look at the negative first because there is alot of bad people on earth, and probably just as much chance of a good person getting organs as a bad person. Of course, there are different opinions of what makes a "bad" person.
Call me nasty, but many of the people I have known in my life are unpleasant and I would not want my organs to be given to them, or people like them.
The fact is, organs could be given to a child that may grow up to do great things, or to a person that could abuse the precious gift and do bad things with their extra years. It could be either.
Anyway, we all have our own opinions.
I hope we can all agree to disagree and accept that is a personal choice whether somebody wishes to be a donor or not.

It doesn't seem that anyone has really addressed to logic behind the case of not being an organ donor, rather just using intuitionist arguments such as "every life is special" and such. It's just not as simple as people are making it out to be, your organ donation is effectively acting as an enabler for a person to continue funding the mass slaughter of animals.

In response to the people who are asking "Why do these people keep looking at the negatives?" it seems quite obvious to me that the probability of the person receiving your organs being a meat eater is literally hundreds of times greater then not. While there is a small possibility you will save someone who helps animals in someway, the probability is almost infinitesimally small and not enough to base an entire moral argument on.

I recently thought of a line of counter-argument to this argument though, which says that donating organs diminishes the perception of veganism as an extremist, immoral lifestyle (as refraining from organ donation would do), thereby increasing the probability more people in the future will become vegans and saving more animals in the long term.

Of course it is almost impossible to know which is the correct argument without a lot of maths and assumptions.

A previous poster raised the point that many people change their worldview after organ donations, and attributed this to the possibility of organ 'memory.' In the absence of a validated and tested mechanism in organs which could carry this capacity, it seems to me far more likely that the near death experience has prompted a change in views. This is another avenue that could be further explored in this debate.

Human beings are animals just like all those pour souls in factory farms and all those abused.  To me it's quite simple ~ Either donate your organs freely or don't.  
Choice is yours.

You can't put conditions on this, nor can you put conditions on speciesism or any other bigotry.  Judging other people is very counter-productive.

We wont address it because there's no need. There is no logical answer to this, this is an ethic and moral opinion. We choose to donate because we can, because we feel it is right. As I stated I think there is a limit. I don't want all meat eaters to die, I don't try to turn everyone I know Veg*n, it is my choice thus they can live how they would like. My main issue isn't with animals in the meat industry- I know it is a problem and yes I do help with campaigning but my passion is with companion animals and our legislative issues with backyard breeders, puppy mills and the over population of dogs and cats we have.

What examples can we give you when our answers are in our hearts, its how we feel? I know I will be setting up a fund when I pass for my views- that will concern everyone who knew me and maybe others- hopefully teaching them the causes. But I'm proud of being a blood donor, I'm proud that I have signed up for organ donations because in my heart I would be so frustrated if a family member of mine was refused an organ because they eat meat.

But there is a logical answer, as it's a logical question in a logical field. If all ethics and morals are subjective opinions, then veganism is just as moral or immoral as a carnivorous life. Meat eaters feel it's right to eat meat, but that alone doesn't make it right.

No I don't feel that it does make it right, however to some who knows what happens, what cruelty goes into the meat industry, its still not important enough for them to stop eating meat. Thats their balance of thought while ours is different- same with this discussion.

To those not wanting to donate their organs because they may go to meat eaters -- do you not donate blood too? Considering donating blood can save three lives each time.

Exactly. And while their balance of thought perhaps is different to ours, it doesn't mean that they deserve to die, or that we are better people than them. All my friends, family and my partner eat meat and I'd hate for them to die because a vegan decided not to donate an organ on account of them eating meat.

I dont think that is a balance of thoughts at all, I think it is a very unbalanced way to think. Unbalanced by upbringing, brainwashed by huge multinational corporations and their insidious marketing campaigns. I undestand that people still love their families no matter what atrocities their lifestyles lead to but for the same reason I chose this diet and why animal rights is so important to me. Its time we started putting the animals before humans. If your family have animals killed for them, stop them doing it. Its not a matter of personal choice, the animals dont have a choice if they will be killed. I do not respect their "right" to eat death. It is not an acceptable lifestyle in my eyes.