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Private ownership of firearms

what are your thoughts?

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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
61 19 Apr 2011
Sebastian said:
Kirrilly said:
If you're angry you can't kill someone by pouring vodka on their head. What's the comparison with alcohol about?
Alcohol is not necessary and cause much more deaths than firearms do, and yet you don't have to have a licence for purchasing it.

Also if your druck and angry at someone you might just go over to them and bash them to death, but if you not drunk you might say 'she'll be right mate'
There's more deaths "caused" by alcohol BECAUSE you don't need a licence.
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
62 19 Apr 2011
TheSixthStitch said:
Sebastian said:
Ok, I see what you are saying, but are they so essential that it would hurt to lift the limit to 20-22?

You mention all these stuff but every night I hear about something being killed or injured in a car accident.

So lets take alcohol as an example, that has no purpose, much less than a gun and it would casue much more deaths than legaly owned firearms but people don't have to own a licence to buy some. They don't have to keep their alcohol under lock and key. Hows that fair?

This is another thing were nothing will be done becasue it will affect way to many people and the party that suggests reform will loose votes.
I agree with you there. Political parties and governments are much too focused on securing votes and protecting their interests (e.g. donations made by industry businesses to persuade them to pass or not pass certain legislation). It's not a matter of nothing getting done as much as it is how little will be done.

Again, I agree with you on alcohol. On its own its purpose is to pleasure the consumer, intoxication being the consequence of this. At a glance, it's easy to say that it's a very passive past-time that affects only the consumer. If you compare it to a gun, alcohol is safer hands down, no question. Totally different purposes and no way comparable. BUT, it's not that simple. Alcohol affects the imbibers judgement and inhibition. If it screws up the person, it's very likely going to muck with whatever they do (driving, firing a gun, rape, etc).

I don't think enough is being done with alcohol, honestly. From an economist point of view, if you raise the age limit, it will have minimal impact, or very possibly make things worse. From a cultural point of view, we have social institutions such as bars and clubs, that focus on alcohol. What kind of message does that send to youngsters as they grow up and see the world? It's in our households, our venues, on advertising, and I know at highschool for us drinking was a sign of social capital. The more you drank the more badass you were seen as, which led to more credibility.  

So what do you do? (ANOTHER topic tongue ) Limit the alcohol % in a beer? Ban it? Make people acquire an alcohol license If you've kids around, putting it out of reach or in a locked cabinet might be a good idea.

Just to reiterate earlier, I said I understand why laws require you to keep ammo locked separately, not that I agree with it. If this measure helps keep fatalities by firearm down, wouldn't you want to keep it if it meant one less kid was accidentally shot at home? But how do you measure that? How do we know that this measure actually works? I mean, it makes sense and is a possible pain in the ass for gun owners, and I'm sure most gun owners would put up with the inconvenience if it meant saving more lives, but that rests on the assumption that keeping ammo in a separate safe will help keep fatalities down, something that has yet to be quantified.
But a rifle in responsible hands is not dangerous, however once you get drunk the most responsible person you know could kill a whole family before they get home from the pub. Again you have to look stats, what kills more people, alcohol or guns? Alcohol.

Lets look that the practicality of both Items.

Gun:Sick or injured animals can be put down humanely. Pests, that cause farmers and native animals alike can be 'dealt' with. (whether you agree with killing pests or not, you can't deny that they aren't pests)

Alcohol: I really can't see this being needed at all.
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TheSixthStitch TheSixthStitch Aruba Posts: 988
63 19 Apr 2011
Sebastian said:
Also if your druck and angry at someone you might just go over to them and bash them to death, but if you not drunk you might say 'she'll be right mate'
Ha! you MIGHT. You'd have to be able to get there first, and then try to beat them with the chance they could whoop your ass.

Or

You could pull out your gun and fire at a safe distance, minimizing the chances for retaliation* wink


*er, unless you miss real bad because you're drunk and they have a gun of their own....uh oh!" *runs for his life, albeit drunkenly*
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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
64 19 Apr 2011
The most responsible person you know WOULD NOT get drunk and drive home. Only idiots do.

Rangers that work for the council have guns for the reasons of putting down animals that are suffering.
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
65 19 Apr 2011
Kirrilly said:
The most responsible person you know WOULD NOT get drunk and drive home. Only idiots do.

Rangers that work for the council have guns for the reasons of putting down animals that are suffering.
your right, the animals can wait 30 mins in pain till a council worker can come out...
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
66 19 Apr 2011
TheSixthStitch said:
Sebastian said:
Also if your druck and angry at someone you might just go over to them and bash them to death, but if you not drunk you might say 'she'll be right mate'
Ha! you MIGHT. You'd have to be able to get there first, and then try to beat them with the chance they could whoop your ass.

Or

You could pull out your gun and fire at a safe distance, minimizing the chances for retaliation* wink


*er, unless you miss real bad because you're drunk and they have a gun of their own....uh oh!" *runs for his life, albeit drunkenly*
hell he could gove over there and block the guys windpipe with tofu tongue
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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
67 19 Apr 2011
Yep, they can wait 30 mins while a trained local laws officer can accurately assess whether or not they need to be put down or taken to a vet.
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
68 19 Apr 2011
Kirrilly said:
Yep, they can wait 30 mins while a trained local laws officer can accurately assess whether or not they need to be put down or taken to a vet.
I guess the farmer will cover the fee for bloke to come out. plus I wouldn't want to be around that bloke when he come out, his gun could go off when I see him. I mean guns are unpredictable, they got off randomly all the time. Often when unloaded

What about pests.
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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
69 19 Apr 2011
Nah, not so unpredictable when trained officers are handling them.

Pest control should be looked at from a more long-term standpoint, shooting a few rabbits here and there, well, I can't see it having any impact. There are other ways.
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
70 19 Apr 2011
Kirrilly said:
Nah, not so unpredictable when trained officers are handling them.

Pest control should be looked at from a more long-term standpoint, shooting a few rabbits here and there, well, I can't see it having any impact. There are other ways.
right, okay
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