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Shooter VIC • Posts: 117

1 6 May 2011

Hey,

As we all know, meat is not grown if the super markets, and something we can all agree on is the worrying amount of people that seem to think (or ignore the fact) that animals have had to die for the meat they are eating. (Often the very same people that criticise hunting)

I recently read a post on surrounding growing meat in school (well it was actually on the way the animals we kept but I want to devieate away from that and focus on on comment) , this comment was 'i dont think we shoud have the killing side of ag'. Really I think this is wrong, do we really want to further distance children from the way they get their meat. (Assuming the school already sells meat the a tuckshop and that the animals are kept humanly until death.) Is it not better that the children actually see where their meat come from, rather than just from some factory?

So, what I am asking, do you think children should be shown the side of meat production that they rarely see? or should it be hidden away from them so the dirty work can be done behind closed doors and the meat can keep coming from some random factory?

Thanks for reading my long post.

Ps. Sorry if it a bit hard to understand, sometimes I find it hard to articulate my self properly

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Lars NSW • Posts: 825

2 6 May 2011

I agree, while i don't want animals to be killed, they will be so...if they are.. kids should benefit educationally from it as well, many will refuse to watch and participate in it but the fact they know what is going on will provide them with more transparency when thinking about food.

on a different but similar note... today at work, i'm newish so one of the girls enquired about my being vegan, she learnt from me that cows don't just produce milk but that they have to have calved, she was shocked, she later shared this with the rest of the office....

everyone thought cows just produce milk automatically, they were somewhat traumatized once i mentioned the issue of bobby cows..

Point being....the current education is not adequate

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Shooter VIC • Posts: 117

3 6 May 2011

Lars said:

I agree, while i don't want animals to be killed, they will be so...if they are.. kids should benefit educationally from it as well, many will refuse to watch and participate in it but the fact they know what is going on will provide them with more transparency when thinking about food.

on a different but similar note... today at work, i'm newish so one of the girls enquired about my being vegan, she learnt from me that cows don't just produce milk but that they have to have calved, she was shocked, she later shared this with the rest of the office....

everyone thought cows just produce milk automatically, they were somewhat traumatized once i mentioned the issue of bobby cows..

Point being....the current education is not adequate

wait, why where they traumatized, what did they think veal was? Also, what the difference in eating a 2 year old cow and a 2 week old cow?

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ok NSW • Posts: 232

4 6 May 2011

I didn't realise what veal was until only a few years ago...

Yes, i think everyone should be taught it at school

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..1 TAS • Posts: 2265

5 6 May 2011

This is very true. However, it can go in two directions. Allowing animals to be raised at school and killed could teach children that animals have to die to become food, and that killing animals for our own convenience is wrong. Or, it could teach children that it is okay to kill animals for our own selfish desires.

I, personally, would not risk the second direction. But most children love animals, so the second direction could arguably be unlikely, but still possible. I'm not really sure, it seems wrong to keep them ignorant, but them accepting from a young age that animals die for food could mean they simply learn to live with it, accept it, and have no reason to change it.

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Shooter VIC • Posts: 117

6 6 May 2011

Maggie said:

This is very true. However, it can go in two directions. Allowing animals to be raised at school and killed could teach children that animals have to die to become food, and that killing animals for our own convenience is wrong. Or, it could teach children that it is okay to kill animals for our own selfish desires.

I, personally, would not risk the second direction. But most children love animals, so the second direction could arguably be unlikely, but still possible. I'm not really sure, it seems wrong to keep them ignorant, but them accepting from a young age that animals die for food could mean they simply learn to live with it, accept it, and have no reason to change it.

See, I disagree with you their. I believe that young adults should be able to make their own desions in life, and only presented with the raw facts. So, if they are shown at an age (when they can form opinions. I.E not prep students, secondary school students) they will be able to either A.Eat meat and know what goes on (not claim ignorance) or B. They can not eat meat. Not have it both ways, e.g eating meat then condemning hunting.

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Pegs VIC • Posts: 1538

7 6 May 2011

I agree. I think people really should be educated on those kinds of things. So�because the teachers won't do it, Christi and I have taken on the role! happy

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OinkMoo NSW • Posts: 1340

8 6 May 2011

Shooter said:

Hey,

As we all know, meat is not grown if the super markets, and something we can all agree on is the worrying amount of people that seem to think (or ignore the fact) that animals have had to die for the meat they are eating. (Often the very same people that criticise hunting)

I recently read a post on surrounding growing meat in school (well it was actually on the way the animals we kept but I want to devieate away from that and focus on on comment) , this comment was 'i dont think we shoud have the killing side of ag'. Really I think this is wrong, do we really want to further distance children from the way they get their meat. (Assuming the school already sells meat the a tuckshop and that the animals are kept humanly until death.) Is it not better that the children actually see where their meat come from, rather than just from some factory?

So, what I am asking, do you think children should be shown the side of meat production that they rarely see? or should it be hidden away from them so the dirty work can be done behind closed doors and the meat can keep coming from some random factory?

Thanks for reading my long post.

Ps. Sorry if it a bit hard to understand, sometimes I find it hard to articulate my self properly

hehehe that was me that said that cloud9

... i think children and teens should be educated in were there meat comes from, but when the animals are at school the kids get to play with them and they grow attached to the animals ( not all of course but a fair few do ) and when the animals are slaughted the teachers joke about it and some kids are destressed about the animas been killed . the animals ( this is my school i dont know about the rest ) arnt kept in the nicest conditions. 3 examples of those are:

1. the rabbits are in small cages were they can bearly move around, i have one doe that was a breeder at the school and from been on hard wired floors ( the cages are in the air and have no bedding) she has cripple bones in her feet and has weak and bent in ward knees - Puzzle ( rabbit ) had to have a few operations to correct it but she was in so much pain, it was unvearable to walk. they are in a dark and dirty shed were there is no light at all!, and the smell is horrible wlking in there. i have spoken to the ag teachers but they dont care. i did report them to the department of edu and P.I and the RSPCA but nothing was done. i clean out the rabbit area when ever possible and give them fresh food and water every day. what does this teach kids?

2. the sheep - there is one sheep i noticed has cancer tumors over her body, she has large tumers hanging off her every were, she also is under weight and has a sore foot and swollen hock, i have offered to pay for vet bills and even buy her off them for wat ever price they want - they contiunky put her in lamb but she loses the lambs ( last two times she fell pregnet ) one of the lambs survived the last pregnency, but she was too weak and ill to look after him and she rejected him - to be honest im amazed she survived , but i got the lamb becouse the ag teachers asked if i could take him so i did , i reared him from 3 days old and today he is a happy and healthy 10 month old sheep happy

.. what does this teach students?

3. the pigs werent provided with water or mud to roll in and had no shelter, both the gilts got sun cancers all over there ears, nose and around there eyes and tail. both began to lose weight and there personailities changed . it was really sad seeing them like this. i loved those piggys soo much... what does this teach kids?

also we got dairy calfs and both of those died within 3 months, one was really sick, i told the teachers he wasnt well but they said he is fine, and bam he died within a week. the other calf was tired up to a post for the night ( i dont know why) and he was found the next morning strangled... this was a horrible site to see when we went doen to the ag farm cry

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wat i ment by my comment was wouldnt it be better to teach people on how to correctly look after the animals? inseted of slaughtering them?

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Ellim United Kingdom • Posts: 480

9 6 May 2011

I agree that it's something that should be shown and taught if schools have programs like this. I also agree that it should be age-appropriate.

In many ways I have less problem with a person who says 'I know what goes on, I know the cruelty involved and I still choose to eat meat' than one who is ignorant but decries the use of fur, or animal testing, or - as you say, Shooter - hunting and yet will happily saunter into McDonalds and order a Big Mac. The difference between the two, though, is that the second person can be educated, whereas the first person is (in my opinion) generally a lost cause and most likely not a person I would really like to get to know.

The rise of supermarket meat has not been good for food-awareness. At least when you walk into a butcher's shop it's pretty clear that this is animal. It's not a pre-cut, pre-trimmed, pre-marinated something that you can completely remove from its origins.

Hmm... I may have more to say on this after some pondering - particularly about the false information that could be provided regarding *proper* animal husbandry and what goes on in factory farms. The whole green pastures myth.

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Lars NSW • Posts: 825

10 6 May 2011

Shooter said:

wait, why where they traumatized, what did they think veal was? Also, what the difference in eating a 2 year old cow and a 2 week old cow?

because baby animals are cute and the thought of killing baby animals to many people is terrible

people don't think to deeply about food, i mean these days things are handed to us on a plate so why would people think much about it, and many people don't eat veal so they wouldn't think about it.

but just the fact that milk exists for baby calves contrary to the idea that milk flows like a tap and we may as well drink it if it's not being used

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