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Anyone know what it says in the Bible about eating meat etc

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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
41 6 Jun 2011
Lots of people compare veganism to religion... I think this quote is awesome:

"Some folks insist that believing in animal rights is like a religion. But religion asks followers to believe in things nobody can see, while animal rights advocates ask followers to see things nobody can believe."
-Craig Burton
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
42 6 Jun 2011
That's exactly how I see it..  Both are doing the same things, wanting people to believe what they believe.. Religious people, and animal activists are not much different from eachother
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
43 6 Jun 2011
I disagree - which is why I love that quote as it shows the two are different. I do see similarities though, but that's only on the extreme ends of the scale. Anyone who believes in something so strongly can have the ability to force their views down other people's throats, but that goes for anything. I personally dislike religion, and through my time serving at a church I have met so many nutters -- would hate for people to see me in the same light (forcing views) so I don't.
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follz follz NSW Posts: 105
44 6 Jun 2011
Belief in god or religion is based on circular reasoning.

-How do you know 'God' is real?
-Because the <insert your religious book-of-choice here> tells us so.
-But who wrote the bible?
-God did.

Does anyone not see the circular reasoning here?

On another note, it's always been a common theme (in my experience) of reasonable religious believers that, when one has thoroughly discredited & dismantled their belief in their infallible ancient texts, you find that they "don't need a belief in a book to believe in god".

So, this leads to a rather interesting question I believe: Without those numerous mistranslated, edited, contradictory texts around to tell people that there is indeed a 'divine' god sitting in judgement above us all, how then would one even know there was a god in the first place?

Would man just dream him up whenever he couldn't explain something through a lack of knowledge (like in ancient times)? Or would god just have to show his face to all humanity to show that he is indeed real?
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
45 6 Jun 2011
follz said:
-But who wrote the bible?
-God did.
Christians typically utilise this verse to show that the whole Bible is the word of God:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (Timothy 3:16).

Except, when we take it into context, this was a letter written by Paul to Timothy to help him in his overseeing of the Ephesian church. The Bible was not even compiled then, and when it was, it was compiled by man (and several scriptures were omitted)... So it can hardly be applied to the entire Bible to reveal the fact that God wrote it.
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
46 6 Jun 2011
follz said:
Belief in god or religion is based on circular reasoning.

-How do you know 'God' is real?
-Because the <insert your religious book-of-choice here> tells us so.
-But who wrote the bible?
-God did.

Does anyone not see the circular reasoning here?

On another note, it's always been a common theme (in my experience) of reasonable religious believers that, when one has thoroughly discredited & dismantled their belief in their infallible ancient texts, you find that they "don't need a belief in a book to believe in god".

So, this leads to a rather interesting question I believe: Without those numerous mistranslated, edited, contradictory texts around to tell people that there is indeed a 'divine' god sitting in judgement above us all, how then would one even know there was a god in the first place?

Would man just dream him up whenever he couldn't explain something through a lack of knowledge (like in ancient times)? Or would god just have to show his face to all humanity to show that he is indeed real?
To your 'dont need to believe in a book to believe in god comment'
thats me.. i dont neceserally believe in the bible, because of the contradictions. but it doesn't mean i dont believe in god. i dont have set beliefs as a typical catholic would, i believe there is a higher being.. but i dont believe that it is as the bible paints it.. the bible is sometimes mis interprited and people see it in many different ways.. it's a bit confusing as many people get many different things out of it.. and i think you get out of it, what you want to believe it says.. some say it's bad, some say its good, some dont care.. and i think that what they believe it is, is what they want to believe it is.. those who say it's bad, believe strongly against religion, and not just because of the bible, because they just think its barbaric- and i can understand that, it does seem barbaric.. but never the less, i still believe it.. because strange things do happen.. i dont exactly know how it all happened, but i think there are many things in the world that have very little explanation, and im happy with that.. i dont think there needs to be an answer to EVERY little thing in the world.. because id like answers to alot more things than just religion.. it's such a broad subject, because every single person on this earth, believes different things. people may have the same religion, but they all believe different things.. which i think is a good thing.. because people should have the right to believe what they want, and we do have that right.. it's just when people put others down for their beliefs, i think that's disgusting. no one has ANY right to tell people how to live, or tell people what to believe- no matter how wrong you may see it. my mums a drug addict, meat eating feral.. but she's 52.. she wont change.. and i have no intentions on changing her, because thats the way she wants to live.. my sister lives in london and is the most selfish person on the face of the earth, but im not going to try change her, shes not hurting anyone.. people need to respect how others want to live, no matter how they live.. people get to involved in trying to change people, and trying to 'fix' people that they lose the real truth and they lose their true beliefs in the process..
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
47 6 Jun 2011
Chewie said:
follz said:
-But who wrote the bible?
-God did.
Christians typically utilise this verse to show that the whole Bible is the word of God:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (Timothy 3:16).

Except, when we take it into context, this was a letter written by Paul to Timothy to help him in his overseeing of the Ephesian church. The Bible was not even compiled then, and when it was, it was compiled by man (and several scriptures were omitted)... So it can hardly be applied to the entire Bible to reveal the fact that God wrote it.
Exactly! some people seem to have this irrational hate for god, because they think he wrote the bible.. my belief is, god didnt write the bible.. people like us wrote the bible.. man wrote the bible.. and that was of what they believed and what they thought god believed. no one can say for sure how god believed, and what he thought was right or wrong, because that is not in the bible.. it is just here say
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
48 6 Jun 2011
. said:
To your 'dont need to believe in a book to believe in god comment'
thats me.. i dont neceserally believe in the bible, because of the contradictions. but it doesn't mean i dont believe in god. i dont have set beliefs as a typical catholic would, i believe there is a higher being.. but i dont believe that it is as the bible paints it..
I respect this, and I think it's the most intelligent way to approach a Christian based religion. If I believed in God, I would definitely believe in him in a similar way to yourself: that there is a higher being, but it's not the kind of jealous, murderous higher being that the Bible paints. My brother is similar to yourself in that he believes in a higher being, but he completely disbelieves everything that organised religion details.
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follz follz NSW Posts: 105
49 6 Jun 2011
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That's exactly how I see it..  Both are doing the same things, wanting people to believe what they believe.. Religious people, and animal activists are not much different from eachother
I couldn't disagree more with this.

One is asking people to have faith in mistranslated, contradictory, edited texts written thousands of years ago by god knows who, god knows when.

The other, however, is asking people to pay attention to the worst acts of cruelty, enslavement & merciless slaughter on the planet that goes on unabated every single day.

Try not to compare apples with oranges.
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
50 6 Jun 2011
I don't go to church, because i wont live by the bible. I wont live how people tell me to. I wont live how  a priest believes i should. But, i do believe there is a god. I solely believe he is just a higher being- much like humans, but sort of a 'super-hero' human (as dumb as that sounds) .. I have a set of beliefs, that i think are right.. I very rarely share what i believe, just because theyre my beliefs, and no one elses. Id rather people believe what they want to believe, instead of me opening my mouth about mine. Im sort of scared if i start, i wont stop haha. All i say is i believe in God, a higher being- and thats the end of it haha. My boyfriend is much the same as me, he believes, but he doesn't follow the bible. I don't disrespect, but i disagree with people that follow the bible whole-heartedly.. Cos im a bit skeptical that they dont actually know what theyre following, because it is so mis interpreted..
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