A Query.

I just think it's a very rash generalisation. It may be people you both know that up their intake of dairy. But all the people I know that don't eat meat, surely don't up their intake of dairy :S So i dont know if this is just a few people your observing on this- but ive never heard, or noticed of this at all..

yeah queries are of a strange nature.. if it were 'An Inquisition', I would understand the qualms. but I am bias, as I have used that word to ask some pretty fridged queries.

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Putting the issue of generalisation aside, vegetarians still advocate animal cruelty by consuming dairy and other animal prodcuts (whatever their reasoning/excuse might be) which goes against the very philosophy the lifestyle claims to stand on. How is this even debatable?

I can't say I dont agree with you. But me agreeing and voicing it in a negative way is very hypocritical of me. I just think the negative vegans- such as yourself, who are the ones that give animal rights people bad names, and the reason why omni's don't like us.. Need to focus a bit more on the positive impact people are having on their own lives, and others. Saving a few animals, is better than killing some, yes? We all stand for the same thing, you just need to relax.. Telling people what their doing is wrong, isn't right- even thought they're doing a good thing by not eating meat, IF they're not increasing their dairy intake. Obviously, your going to stick up for your girlfriend and defend her so there's no point in having this discussion..

How dare you. I have been a dairy advocate, farmer and volunteer animal rescuer for years.
We take great care in our dairy cows and our whole community lives from the white wholesome goodness of these brave, courageous animals.

You waltz in here.. with your .. fine fine attire, waving your pimp walking cane of justice around our heads, like we don't own any shares in papyrus.

How dare you ruffians, insult our life, and purpose. Those cows that don't get to stay on our lovely fields of goodness (which in times of drought, we give all our drinking water to I might add) go on to specially selected breeders, who splash them with tequila daily, as a show of how they understand the sensual needs of the animals they lovingly care for, daily if not hourly for a good half a century of their lives.. how do you think it makes them (AND US!) feel to see so many unique and individual faces pass out of those gates, into uncertainty every time market opens.

Think of being a teacher, but not only that, raising each and every one of those pupils.. (in boooviine university).. to then have to send them off into the world.. from our haven.. into.. the open wilderness of certainty .. they will be killed. We can only hope.. in a manner we would consort.. and that for one the quality of that produce.. is respected down the whole line of .. middle man operators.. and doesn't get .. diluted or.. contaminated by social marketeers. And secondly that the people we do this for, every day of our lives.. actual appreciate .. and enjoy what we helped to create.


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Something like that, I am roughly guessing?

I don't know if i'm stupid. Or it's the dairy that's gone to my head. But i have NO idea what your saying. I saw on your profile you like Zen House. Another adelaidian

Lol, apparently milk is tied to 'schizophrenia' (i.e. diagnostic ambiguity). and the new a3 strain, eliminates this. A3 being supposedly the more original natural strain.

But yeah, I was debating his claim that Dairy isn't sexy. Albeit faux and ludicrously.

You can't agree with me and then tell I'm wrong for pointing out the truth. The whole point of being an animal rights activist is to point out the truth. We run protests to highlight the truth. To show people that there are better more peaceful ways to live, to open people's eyes to the cruelty they are blindly supporting. To put aside our own creature comforts so we can be more selfless people. You're talking people being put of a cruelty free lifestyle by someone, like me, who highlights the negative so that positive change can come from it. There wouldn't be any vegetarians or vegans if no one approached the advocation of animal rights in this manner. Imagine if we went to KFC and held up pictures of happy chickens running in green pastures and skimped on the truth of the matter. It's all about highlighting the negative to bring about positive change... Besides, I think someone advocating a lifestyle like vegetarianism that is (as you agreed with me) based on contradiction and hypocrisy is going to put someone off becoming a part of it than someone advocating a lifestyle which has beliefs based on sound statistics, true egalitarianism and common sense.

The reason why people hate animal activists is because of the way they approach things very often.. there's a civil way, and a rude way is all im saying.. and that's all ive said from the start of this post..

What about the plants? Plants have feelings too.
By consuming neither animals nor animal products we're consuming more plants.

I'm not having a go, honest, but I often feel bad for the plants too.
My husband won't (yet, I'll get him eventually) go vegan because it'd mean eating more plants and he values their suffering as highly as animal suffering.
And you can't even be a true fruitarian without knowing that things fell from the trees when they were ready, picking them can send the tree/plant into shock. Nearly impossible without your own orchard.

The guilt and pain I feel knowing dairy kills calves is quite often the same feeling I get thinking about wheat and potatoes and things...

Sorry, this stopped being about animals.

Even vegetarians need to learn things, yes.
The lack of obvious death on your plate (dairy, eggs) makes it even harder to make the connection. At least with meat it's clear that used to be alive.