A Query.

I went vegetarian at 16, when I was a meat eater I ate LOTS of dairy and eggs. I think my intake actually lessened as I was eating homemade vegetable rissoles and vegetables every night, and salad sandwiches for lunch.
I was completely oblivious to the cruelty involved in dairy, I didn't even know what a vegan was!
Its super easy to substitute your normal dairy with vegan stuff at the supermarket.. Generic soy milk is cheaper than normal milk, nutellex isn't very expensive and I believe even one of the homebrand margarines is ok? But unsure about that. Apart from that most breads are vegan, apart from that fruit and vegetables should be being consumed.

Yes vegan is easy, but coming from someone who had to start somewhere, its not too expensive or complicated. It can be if you want to buy crazy mock meats or vegan cheeses.

There is a way that points out the truth and a way that doesn't. Nothing wrong with a bit of tough love. Of course some people take offence, but if that's what it takes to plant a seed, then so be it. If some people go away from this thinking "oh, maybe I am a giant walking contradiction," and do something about it, all the better for the world. Like I said, some of us "fed up" vegans are done sugar-coating everything. The truth is the truth, and the truth shall set you (and other animals) free.

SO many people tried getting through to me by getting mad, and doing the whole 'tough love' thing. I believe it gets through to people who just get educated, and you talk to them like their not a bad person. When someone treats you with respect and dignity is when youll listen. If you tell them everything theyre doing is wrong, and attack them at every angle.. They just won't listen.. You honestly can't believe people yelling and having goe's gets through to people- because it doesn't. I had many people try with me, and it just took someone to sit me down for an hour and have an educational discussion and talk sense.. And them not get mad at me for the things i did, or what i ate. If you attack people for what they eat, they just won't listen.. This is the last im going to say of it.. Because i feel like it's you and your girlfriend sitting at a computer laughing and being stupid so I really just can't be bothered lol.. I understand being hard headed, and i understand your clearly one of those people- who won't change their opinions, wrong or right.. Or even take in others opinions, or respect their opinions, because.. In your mind your CLEARLY right.. To many people are to closed minded, and to stuck in their ways to respect others opinions.. So just chill and respect how other people live and what they do..

I'd stop eating air if I could.

lolzies.

It is nice you think of this in relation to pain.. it insinuates that you think of nature as perfection or.. the pure. Where as some humans, enjoy pain >_<.

Though disease runs rampant, and so many groups of people are out there quarantining areas, and protecting species from viral epidemics. While we sit here burning away some heat (heating being waste in terms of energy and efficiency//perpetual energy).

Did you know that animal saliva has been show to stimulate plants to grow, kinda like pruning; but apparently more so.


There was a more ritualistic time, where food was given the heavens in the gods it inspired.. and every meal was eaten under some grace, harmony and understanding of thankfulness. Gods of the harvest season, the sun and the rain; and rath for doing wrong by these qualities of .. appreciating what one did and ate. Or the monks who tread so carefully, they dare not move.. or those who will never sit.


Might not seem it, but there is a place (in the world).. to exercise your yearnings or (each) will.. I don't think it the best option.. if so.. to dwell in the place of hate.. and exert all provoked feeling and realization of self.. in centralized and ineffective catharsis towards others within the same cities of mud.


I have thought about, and felt like moving out into the uninhabited or less electric places.
But in theory, in my mind, don't think I could be and see that.. chemical smog start approaching on the horizon.. seeing trash begin to float down the stream.

So I feel it can be equalized in the place it is most prominent, poignant or potent (maybe source also), so I do feel it more... purposeful to stay here, than sit in some sanctuary.
Amongst the forest, by water. (even if possible).

Yet I can also sense it — be wasted and dispersed in our homes.. towards fellow coterie.. towards family. Equalized, before it ever gets to be put to use.

According to the scientific community plants do not feel pain, the theory they do along with it's partial evidence has been rejected by the scientific because of the flaws with the evidence along with the fact that plants lack a nervous/sensory systems. Without a limbic system it's impossible for them to indicate any human-like emotion or feeling of pain, they have plant receptors that could possibly respond to external stimuli but it's more like a auditory button or trigger rather then sentient "feelings".

This paranormal observation(plant perception) isn't properly backed up or majorly  supported by the scientific community and it's more of a parapsychology belief, you could argue that the scientific community could be wrong but you can say that about anything.

I think trees feel pain. I feel trees pain when one is getting "pruned" or cut down. So if trees feel pain then other plants must too. I feel bad for eating anything living, but hey we gotta eat something, I think we were built to eat plant matter, and plant matter is there to be eaten, by us and other animals.

As for pointing out the negative to help enforce positive, well that there is a mistake. You start throwing things out there in a negative way, calling names, throwing around accusations, unfortunately people begin to close off. You should try it from a positive angle. Appreciate all efforts, hint at ways to make other changes. Give good pieces of advice, cos no offense, but I didn't see one hint of helpful advice in anything you have said Beany dude. You might find more people willing to listen.

Just my opinion. When I first got into animal activism I was angry, hell I am still freakin angry. But throwing my anger around and directing it at people who really are just ignorant, doesn't work. A lot of friends and family got mad at me. You want to get mad, fine, but do it to the idiots that chose to stay ignorant on purpose. Otherwise help them to be less ignorant and more informed.

anthropomorphism...

um so..


botanicopomorphisms.. orrr... horticultropomorphisms.


thus;

you have a case of botanicopomorphitis dear

*giggle
Update:

yeeeahh pruning, I quiver to think of.. when you cut a vine and all of those, new.. yearning grapples go limp. Like when you wake up and have to waggle your arm around in the air like a madman before you can feel and move it again. bah.

but is because I relate to a limb.


You just have to keep open a growing comprehension of the fact of the idea..
I mean you can, graft one plant and the other root which is its life.. will keep shooting at times.. this is hard to metaphorize over to human happenings.

So it is just interesting and sometimes worth while thinking about.. pondering or wondering.. not so much... being anxious or miscomprehensive about.

You need a different vocabulary to start citing plants to have feelings, as the words you use.. are human relative and based. All through our observation and perceptive platform.. but thus.. are still.. even if 'observed and proved a plant to feel pain'.. means 'human plants feel pain' maybe in the plant dimension.. that 'pain' isss.... I don't know.. an epiphany haha. Something... transpiratively peculiar.whom knows. (when) Knowing is a farce.



psss.. birdsong

I agree. Good, educational advice is the key. People listen to positive discussions. My mum, who always says "animals are breed to be eaten" even listens to me when i talk sense! my big italian family who are massive carnivores listen to me when i talk sense and give facts, instead of blantantly saying "YOUR WRONG, YOUR BAD PEOPLE, THIS IS WHAT YOUR DOING TO THE ANIMALS AND RAAAAAAH" I just educated them on what it going on in the world around us. I don't direct it at them, or tell them that it's their fault, i just say "look, this is the truth, this is what goes on" and i give them real info. Instead of getting mad. I used to get mad, and im over getting mad at people- its not good for me, or them..

"I think trees feel pain. I feel trees pain when one is getting "pruned" or cut down. So if trees feel pain then other plants must too" - An auditory response is like a trigger and doesn't indicate a sentient being/feeling. Although i can't say 100% about a lot of things, there isn't enough proof to indicate plants "feel" pain or are "sentient". However if that was true then it creates a very complex problem for veganism

I know, feelings was the wrong word. But we can't really tell.
I really love seeing the way plants grow, do what they have to survive, the different "personalities" (used loosely) of different kinds of plants, talking to them and having them respond.
My husband (jokingly) scolded a plant for hogging all of the light, putting another one in the shade all the time. It had been that way for over a week. He left to refill the watering can and it had moved in the two minutes he'd been gone. Moved. Out of the way of the other plant.
I'm pretty sure my concern comes from him being so big on plants, but I'm such a bleeding heart it upsets me when people deface trees or snap limbs off or whatever.