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Fruitarians

Do we have any here?

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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
21 21 Jun 2011
I sort of get the 'wanting to live with minimal impact on the earth' thing, it would be a welcome change for humanity that's for sure. But I don't really care about plants, aha. Unless they're like 300 year old trees or palm plantations which harm villages and animals.
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psychokitten psychokitten QLD Posts: 340
22 22 Jun 2011
Wow, this turned out to be really frustrating for what should've been a yes or no question
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Andrewxxx Andrewxxx VIC Posts: 272
23 22 Jun 2011
psychokitten said:
Wow, this turned out to be really frustrating for what should've been a yes or no question
It went better than the straight edge thread...

Also not all vegetables involve killing the plant

EDIT: apparently this sounds nasty, not being nasty. Just seemed relevant
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psychokitten psychokitten QLD Posts: 340
24 22 Jun 2011
AndrewF said:
psychokitten said:
Wow, this turned out to be really frustrating for what should've been a yes or no question
It went better than the straight edge thread...

Also not all vegetables involve killing the plant

EDIT: apparently this sounds nasty, not being nasty. Just seemed relevant
I didn't take it in a nasty sense
And waaay better than the straight edge thread, but the night is young!

I know not all vegetables involve killing the plant, the terms 'fruit' and 'vegetable' are mixed up more often than they should be anyway.
I find it morally difficult to eat something knowing the farmer had to kill the plant to harvest...

I was mostly looking for some therapeutic type advice on dealing with feeling like that. I'm not sure I want to be fruitarian, but I'm really leaning that way lately.
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Andrewxxx Andrewxxx VIC Posts: 272
25 22 Jun 2011
psychokitten said:
AndrewF said:
psychokitten said:
Wow, this turned out to be really frustrating for what should've been a yes or no question
It went better than the straight edge thread...

Also not all vegetables involve killing the plant

EDIT: apparently this sounds nasty, not being nasty. Just seemed relevant
I didn't take it in a nasty sense
And waaay better than the straight edge thread, but the night is young!

I know not all vegetables involve killing the plant, the terms 'fruit' and 'vegetable' are mixed up more often than they should be anyway.
I find it morally difficult to eat something knowing the farmer had to kill the plant to harvest...

I was mostly looking for some therapeutic type advice on dealing with feeling like that. I'm not sure I want to be fruitarian, but I'm really leaning that way lately.
Well I can't really help you there. Maybe you could do a little research into the make up of plants to get a better understanding of what killing them involves?
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psychokitten psychokitten QLD Posts: 340
26 22 Jun 2011
AndrewF said:
psychokitten said:
AndrewF said:
psychokitten said:
Wow, this turned out to be really frustrating for what should've been a yes or no question
It went better than the straight edge thread...

Also not all vegetables involve killing the plant

EDIT: apparently this sounds nasty, not being nasty. Just seemed relevant
I didn't take it in a nasty sense
And waaay better than the straight edge thread, but the night is young!

I know not all vegetables involve killing the plant, the terms 'fruit' and 'vegetable' are mixed up more often than they should be anyway.
I find it morally difficult to eat something knowing the farmer had to kill the plant to harvest...

I was mostly looking for some therapeutic type advice on dealing with feeling like that. I'm not sure I want to be fruitarian, but I'm really leaning that way lately.
Well I can't really help you there. Maybe you could do a little research into the make up of plants to get a better understanding of what killing them involves?
Yeah, thanks, I probably should.
It's been pointed out to me repeatedly that plants don't feel in the same sense we do, I understand that but that still doesn't sit right with me.
It mostly seems wasteful I guess, why kill something when you can eat things that don't need to be?
Anyway, thanks for actually replying with something relevant.
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Pegs Pegs VIC Posts: 1538
27 22 Jun 2011
Some plants you wouldn't have to kill a plant to get its goodness. And, if you plant your own plants, you would be able to share it with other native birds and other species.
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nev nev WA Posts: 51
28 22 Jun 2011
psychokitten said:
A life is a life.
How are honey bees any higher or lower on scale of worth than carrots?

You choose where to draw your own lines.
This by far is the most mature, profound statement I've found in this topic. psychokitten, if you feel you need to redraw your line then I really do wish you all the best, and I mean that in the most positive way.

I gave veganism a whole bunch of stick a couple of months back because I couldn't understand why someone couldn't/wouldn't eat meat.

Guess who's a vegan now.
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Clud Clud VIC Posts: 1559
29 22 Jun 2011
psychokitten said:
Callum said:
But plants want u to eat their fruit.
Right, fruit.
Not vegetables, I have trouble justifying killing the plant.
Defers. When you think about vegtables, it is basically stealing an important part of the plant. I just don't think about how its mean....
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Contreras Contreras NSW Posts: 349
30 22 Jun 2011
psychokitten said:
A life is a life.
How are honey bees any higher or lower on scale of worth than carrots?

You choose where to draw your own lines.
I would say the majority of people (vegans) draw the line at being sentient considering all animals perceive, feel and express emotions (except for questionable beings such as oysters which is still unknown because of the animal organs but lack of a CNS) which is not only observed but backed up with the anatomy of their systems. As i have already referred to in another thread plants have not shown any of these characteristics and lack the systems to be considered sentient.

The idea sounds interesting though, i would prefer to be eating products that have fallen of a tree rather then killing the plant itself if that could be successfully done.

However if you look at some of the long-term health risks, you find the majority of fruits contain small amounts of certain nutrients and thus plenty of UN-supplemented fruitarian diets are often deficient and most supplements will be extracted from plants so by definition couldn't be taken. An example is OMEGA 3 EPA and DHA longer chains which is extracted from algae (two sources only being fish and algae).

A potential meet around could be attempting to be a fruitarian as much as possible but in a strict sense fruitarian diets aren't recommended because of the long-term health effects/risks and can only work with strict daily choices combined with supplements, it's a lot less flexible then being able to eat vegetables in terms of meeting daily requirements. Although you've said you don't care about the health risks, it's something that's hard to be considered natural if it negatively impacts our development.

Another point would be the techniques farmers use in obtaining fruit, will still cause plants to be killed as well as all the pesticides for insects. The way it is unless you have the time and right conditions to grow everything needed to reach your daily requirements as well as employing the most ethical farming techniques possible you can't stop all lives being wasted in our current system sentient or not.

The differences between plants and animals in terms of structure and habitat is quite large (same with bacteria, soil etc), the line after animals in terms of what is causing suffering gets quite confusing, although based on all the evidence we have it's been concluded that plants aren't sentient, if they are then where exactly does the line get drawn. The philosophies in saving lives gets quite confusing; do we keep it on products falling off such as fruits, does it extend to bacteria? even soil? How is the fruit commercial grown to ensure this? do those fruits contain any cells of perceiving? In the context of what we know, we can say animals have emotions, feel pain and perceive our world in a non-mechanical way. If we are wrong about plants then i couldn't be sure if such a line can even be drawn about "ethical" eating and the thought of that is rather confronting considering we have to obtain the right nutrients to develop somehow.

Just trying to put some thought on the topic and not trying to cause any frustration or ignorant statements of "plants don't feel pain, so i don't care about them". This topic had divulged quite far from being a question if anyone was a fruitarian and i am probably not helping in that respect lol.
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