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I don't even completely know, which is a problem in itself but thats got nothing to do with you lot.

I don't completely dislike the forum nor do I find all of it useless (I wouldn't come on if I did) I just remember back when the forum was newer that there was a lot more on upcoming things to get involved in, more talk of different aspects of animal rights and the support felt different.

When I first joined I didn't know a thing about animal rights, I had no clue of different organisations or what AR was even about; the forum educated me.
So just more discussions regarding aspects and ideas of AR would be useful as would posts about upcoming things people can get involved in and encouraging people to get involved.
I'm sure theres a lot of us feeling like you do that things die down quickly, I guess those of us feeling like that need to keep trying or taking up the opportunity. I know I'm not good at posting much but I'd absolutely make more of an effort for more AR topics.

I'm completely aware that if you look for them there are some posts about upcoming events, its just that when people are more interested in general chat than the reason we're here they get pushed down so much that people stop posting them.
That's why I said we need a joint effort as if its just a couple certain people getting involved over and over again it becomes easier to just privately talk to that person or find a place where there's more people willing to join in.

Can we get an evolving electronic list together of items we think are helpful and completely useful, so that this site actually offers something useful for Vegans?

I can't figure out where the information is stored..just articles about drama.. no useful information is apparently welcome on the website.

We should have a place to post and edit maybe a wiki, one about forum etiquette and one for more useful things, like how to find good and animal friendly food. Human friendly cosmetic products and everyday items we know should be avoided. It sounds like much to ask? But it would be easy... to set up... and effective in helping and would add a changing and growing element to the otherwise dull template of a hull that never moves.

You can be active all you like and hand out guilt trip pamphlets and sing songs.. but when it comes down to it and YOU yourself can't survive on this diet when there is no support offered, what alternative are we even offering ANYONE you may talk to 'actively' about eating healthier.

Sort that out first.. then maybe you will have something to preach to others... along with SOME sort of offering of knowledge, gains and AN ALTERNATIVE.

Don't eat MEAT!! HGRRRRR>>>  "ok what can I eat"... PFffff I don't know... beans or vegan chocolate cake and stuff.

Wow.  I can feel my internal organs collapsing all ready.

Most of the time I am being an ass because noone takes me seriously or just brushes it off to begin with. But the lack of anything from the start on this site has been a frustrating battle... where people talk about their pets, their vegan thoughts and their opinions on anything popular.. but as soon as someone mentions something with out directly saying 'VEGAN TOPIC'... or .. 'I"M AN ANIMAL LOVER I LOVER ANIMALS SOOO MUCH THAT"S WHY I"M ON HERE BECAUSE I LOVE ANIMALS, AND YOU DIDN"T KNOW ANIMAL LOVING TILL YOU MET ME, IT DIDN"T EVEN EXIST'... then you aren't 'being to the point'.. and it is.. irrelevant.

What this website should DO.. as every single person loves their dog or cat so much... to the point of exhausting every avenue to keep them happy..  including other life on the other side of the 1 sided equation. Is keep the name UNleashed.. and make it about... unleashing your Pets from a life of meat eating/or being out in the cold.

Everything else apart from the front page of the site would make more sense then.




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You probably ask why I am here then... and you probably don't beleive me but on my search for a forum that actually allows you to post with out saying "I'm a Vegan even though I don't know what the f**k i'm doing".  The rest of the internet is actually MORE useless.

True story, the amount of crap you find is astonishing when simply looking for information you can actually use in your day.

What items are you talking about? All vegan items in a supermarket? Mostly it's straightforward , but for the surprises you can find the thread 'Accidentally Vegan'. For a basic idea of where to get nutrients, you can visit other Animals Australia resources like the website http://whyveg.com/nutrition.php

We have a thread about forum etiquette.
http://www.choosecrueltyfree.org.au/list.html
http://www.unleashed.org.au/change_the_world/go_veg/eating_out.php
http://www.unleashed.org.au/change_the_world/go_veg/shopping_guide.php
http://www.unleashed.org.au/change_the_world/go_veg/vegan_recipes.php
I'm not sure what "dull template of a hull that never moves" actually means.

When people have a question about what to eat, they are always answered or directed to useful websites. The resources above talk about what to eat.

Unleashed is targeted at youth, and while people of any age can (and do) post here, sometimes young people post about things that aren't relevant to everyone so I guess that's when it's appropriate to use the 'hide' function. This actually goes for all members.
Maybe you aren't interested in my posts about activism, but others may be. It doesn't make one type of thread more important than another.

With your own posts, it helps to be clear and concise about what you expect from your replies because sometimes when they can be a little vague or time consuming, people get confused and go to a topic which is more straightforward.

That is fine, and thank you.

It just shouldn't be so difficult... to find information. One would think it is concealed it is often that hard to find it. A interactive list of Australian products and suggestions for incorporating them into your diet would still be helpful.

I will look at why veg for a bit, thanks.


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For instance. Protein: instead of legumes there could be a page here 'for youth'... where it has a list of Australian products that are non-animal... and have a small global impact.

Maybe for instance 'SPC Rich Tomato Baked Beans'... if it just said 'Baked Beans'... a young person could go out, buy a can of beans.. eat them.. only to find out it had 'HAM' in it or something. That doesn't happen to me (often) >_> because I read every label. But still... I don't see any Youth going 'I am just going down to the shops to buy some legumes, be back in 5mins' to their mum. WHAT is a legume to a youth... to a heap... it is probably a sprout.. I don't know. It is just annoying. You can't be too specific when it comes to Vegan food, esp as most are picky eaters and can be turned off the experience of finding new and enjoyable food by bad experience with it.

So an AUSTRALIAN list of foods isn't too much to ask from an Australian organization (apparently, even if there is no evidence of it; could be a .com site, who would know).
There is a ton of things... but I don't want to have to do all the research, or basically I can't be bothered eating what I end up getting if it is that much effort to MAKE sure it is this and MAKE sure the label says what it is.

Having group input and enabling many people to add things, which are then verified would be a perfect use of peoples time. And having 'tofu' for everything, isn't that great.. and 'fortified' is NOT a solution. There are so many alternatives out there naturally.. it just seems noone wants to do any clear-cut investigative work.

I see tofu, I read... soy, I read 'the largest dedicated land mass to one crop; used to feed animal live stock and the beans harvested for human consumption, incorporating slash and burn methods to utilize new patches of land (once the amazon forest), as after a few crops the land is left infertile. or 'Palm'... I just see Malaysia now... and the frustration and agitation of not seeing ONE patch of native.. forest, for so long while I was there. And finding out, even birds don't want to land on them... or the elephants that can't follow the tracks they once did, as are now shot even if they could squeeze through the field of palms. To then exploring some of the 'SEMI' native forest.. as rubber trees, dotted around the tropical landscape is now considered natural. For at least it isn't palms. I saw species and animals/insects i'd never seen before. In comparison... I didn't hear one bird.. or see ONE insect.. on the way to where I was staying... and even there... fogging made an eerie synthetic emptiness of life. The fireflies gone. But still.. just expressing the same attitude of a people who love the Palm and have it proudly on their 50$bill right next to some chump.

Maybe when you take all factors in to count, and ALL the ingredients of things EVEN in the Vegan section. You will find... it isn't so easy. And even if it is to some... that doesn't mean a resource shouldn't be out there, to aid in finding the best and most affordable things to eat or use. Esp considering Palm derivatives take on myriad names in pharmaceuticals.

I am fine with activism... but with the goal of converting people over to an ongoing struggle just to pay money for something you actually want to use... I feel sorry for them. Though it is better than cleaning yourself with dead animals... and considering SO many pharmaceuticals aren't vegan.. what are they then.

There's a search button, if you wanna find something, search it....

So ideally, are you looking for an Australian supermarket guide which lists every single vegan
Item? Including those that don't contain palm oil? Sorry but sometimes I lose track of what you're saying.

That'd actually be a really good idea, despite there already being the accidently vegan list which helps heaps. I know my shopping would be easier if i could just look at a huge list and pick things out of it haha.

That would be a loooooong list! A WikiVegan for Australia is a decent idea, but obviously Unleashed isn't a wiki It couldn't run on the format of this forum as it would be ever changing and need constant adding and subtracting from the vegan public.

I suggested making an unleased event where we divy up ailses in the supermarket and in a joint effort.. go through every item available at woolies and coles and mark the vegan stuff, for an easy, quick glance guide.

But when I made a post on it, people linked something similar. Similar yes, and probably helpful, but it was different and not simple like I'd like to see.

There are plenty of Wiki templates around, and it could be incorporated into another section of the site. Like "Link to Unleashed Vegan Shopping Wiki"...

http://forums.pvkii.com/index.php?showforum=72

http://forums.pvkii.com/index.php?showtopic=11005

http://wiki.pvkii.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

You mean it would require effort?

Would there be heaps of Vegan items on the list? OH NOes!...
great because I have trouble finding any... do you see what i'm saying?

And no.. not a Supermarket list... Just brands and products and where you can find them.. from peoples experiences? I could add about 30 I didn't know last year, or a ton more but I only would recommend a few.. of those I have found. SO of course peoples favorites and why. You know something involving.

So a State Tab, then a list of AUSTRALIAN products.
For the sake of making this related to Australia in some way, lol.
I mean it is a great enterprise you have going here...

but it would be nice if it was of some utility to people looking to actually eat something.

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something interactive and fixed in one place, that doesn't require searching for snippets of information from a myriad different threads, ONE persons post buried some wheree... in some.. place. That noone knows about and some how expects everyone else to know it exists.


p.s. i'm not talking about just palm oil... I am sure there are other additive 'Vegan' products that have just as a drastic effect than animal produce itself. If you can fathom there is still a global impact occurring in any form of mass production even if 'non-animal origin ingredients' constitute an item.

Maybe some insight could be shared into REALLY good products we find. *rolls eyes. But I guess all that matters is not eating something gross.