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I don't get vegetarianism

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Pegs Pegs VIC Posts: 1538
11 7 Jul 2011
But the thing I don't understand is, if you've been a vegetarian for that long, and obvioulsy lived happily without harming and eating animals, why would you learn to kill them yourself?

Like the Edgar's Mission saying

"If we could live happily without harming others, why wouldn't we"

As I'm concerned, this is the best saying the world!

P.S I'm a vegetarian, gonna go vegan when I move out, because my parents won't allow a vegan in the house! wink tongue happy
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
12 7 Jul 2011
follz said:
Personally, I'm a vegan who thinks animals should not be used or controlled for the sake of any human want, so 'ethical' meat is repulsive to me. What's ethical about it? (That isn't directed at you, it's just a general question from which I never receive an answer)

I think it's a slippery slope advocating 'ethical' meat to people as they are just given an excuse to be selfish and so they eat guilt-free: 'Hey, eating this slaughtered cow is perfectly fine because it was treated better than the other billions of slaughtered cows'. IMO, 'ethical' meat is a huge cop out as an animal is still getting slaughtered against its will for the sake of persons appetite.
Yeah, I completely agree with you. It's repulsive to me too. I don't think that an animal should die for my own selfish taste buds. But I guess for those that aren't going to give up meat, true free range meat (where the animals are treated perfectly well) is better than factory farmed. It is still getting slaughtered though, which is what I despise with a passion. It is the slightly lesser of the two evils, but that certainly doesn't make it right.

Not to mention that free range is often not really free range, but yet those two words appease people’s guilty consciences. Hell, I was in a vegetarian restaurant in Sydney called Badde Manors the other week. They promote that they only serve free range eggs all over their menu and I heard lots of vegetarians chatting away that they didn't mind eating the egg meals because they were free range. Erm, you can imagine my surprise when a chef walked past with cartons and cartons of cage eggs. Not that free-range is much better, but those cages are absolutely abhorrent sad I don't understand how a vegetarian could eat eggs (other than from a hen they rescued) knowing full well what goes on in the industry...
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mandyATTHEDISCO mandyATTHEDISCO WA Posts: 29
13 7 Jul 2011
Yeahh, I'm in the same boat as Pegs. Vegetarianism is important to me, and it is the step towards veganism. However, my parents are really against veganism so, not until I'm 18. And I'm sure I may be criticised for that, but I feel I am doing something, and knowing I will be vegan when I'm 18 is okay with me. So, that's why I'm vegetarian at the moment and not vegan.

I'd also like to comment on the article that was linked. I'm really against this kind of thing. I feel that acting as if there is some form of ethical farming is wrong. No matter how the animal is raised, if you keep it for the sole purpose of slautering it and eating it, to me that is exploitation. So, if you show the public all this stuff about "humane" treatment of farm animals, I feel that people will suddenly think that that is acceptable (for example, the woman in the article), which is something I really don't like to think about, because once we feel we're doing this right thing I feel like the majority will stop caring. It's just the faccade put up to help meat eaters sleep at night.

Wow. Rant. Sorry. xD

EDIT: "I was simply avoiding the battlefield, stepping aside as a pacifist."
Errmm.. If a large enough proportion of people "step out of the battlefield" I don't see why there would be a war any more? Seriously, if a large enough percentage of people refuse meat, then farmers won't be able to make a profit from farming meat. So, that argument is seriously flawed. >_<
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KittyLover KittyLover VIC Posts: 281
14 7 Jul 2011
Meat eat who claim to be animal lovers and '' don't want to know ''  what really happens in the meat and dairy industries really annoy me.. Also when the 4 corners show aired people were crying and carrying on saying how cruel it was and then go on to say they'll still eat meat..


Grrrrr!!
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Pegs Pegs VIC Posts: 1538
15 7 Jul 2011
Taste buds should me illegal tongue
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Casper.s2 Casper.s2 SA Posts: 1640
16 8 Jul 2011
with such disparities why have to call yourself anything.

fish eggs dairy is choice in original vegetarian society,,, but to make it more specified or to make the strict vegetarians more particular, vegan came about as the preferred term to split the two.. indians usually use vegetarian, in meaning vegan. I feel weird eating these fruits in malaysia... they are red with .. probiscus like curls over them, then you split the outer shell like mass, and eat the lychee like coconut tasting centre avoiding the pip.

reminded me of sea urchines... cutting it open made me squeezy. haha.

I don't know how you could raise an animal 'lovingly' to be eaten Lol.
when you do decide you prefer its texture/taste or tastyness to its company.

erp.


some people are farken loopdoops. why they bother talk said' normal'
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
17 8 Jul 2011
Casper.s2 said:
fish eggs dairy is choice in original vegetarian society,,, but to make it more specified or to make the strict vegetarians more particular, vegan came about as the preferred term to split the two.
Sorry to be nitpicky, but I must correct you on that -- fish was never a choice in the 'original vegetarian society.' Fish has never been considered vegetarian.
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Emilia Emilia WA Posts: 285
18 8 Jul 2011
Chewie said:
Casper.s2 said:
fish eggs dairy is choice in original vegetarian society,,, but to make it more specified or to make the strict vegetarians more particular, vegan came about as the preferred term to split the two.
Sorry to be nitpicky, but I must correct you on that -- fish was never a choice in the 'original vegetarian society.' Fish has never been considered vegetarian.
Veg = Plant
Plant =/ Fish

tongue


I went to the Live Animal Export protest in Perth and one of the farmers had this on a sign.
F
A
R
M
E
R
S

Then a sentence starting with each letter. I can't remember the rest, but
A = Animal Lovers
M = Meat producers.

Hypocrite.
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Casper.s2 Casper.s2 SA Posts: 1640
19 11 Jul 2011
Yeah I am just remembering what I read somewhere. I can't profess to being there. I get pretty annoyed when people ask if fish is ok. Or some how don't consider it a meat... but actually suitable for vege-peoples.
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Jaimie1 Jaimie1 NSW Posts: 20
20 12 Jul 2011
This is a really hard one.

You must not critisize vegetarians too harshly. They have taken the first step towards become vegan, whether they take that extra step is up to them.

I was not fully aware of the extent of cruelty going on in these industries. I have always purchased free range eggs and pressured all those i know to do the same for as long as i can remember thinking that was enough.

Just recently all these images and articles on dairy cows have come to light and given me a huge wake up call.

Timeline of my vegetarianism:

January 2000 (at 12 years of age) i finally convinced my mother to never make me eat meat again.

2005 - 2010 - I gave into the peer pressure of some friends who used to taunt me for not eating chicken! I also began eating fish in this period and continued to do so.

10.7.11 - Read an article on fishing trawlers on Animals Australia... cried, was not aware of the horrors... gave up fish.

11.7.11 - Read an article a girl posted about dairy farms - Slowly making the transition to vegan.

It really annoys me how bitchy vegetarians/vegans can be. Its not a competion, if you stop eating a certain meat then good for you!
Don't become a vego/vegan for the glory of it. Do it for the animals!
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