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Indian Myna bird eradication program

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Pegs Pegs VIC Posts: 1538
21 24 Jul 2011
Yes, I agree, the way they are doing it is wrong. They should euthanise them, not just snap their necks! Its horrible. If you are going to harm creatures for being in the wrong place, it should be your responsibility to make sure they leave Earth with as little stress as possible.
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
22 25 Jul 2011
That's the thing Pegs - breaking their necks IS a 'humane euthanasia' option they're giving the community.
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
23 25 Jul 2011
No chance in hell i'd be able to do that happy
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Andrewxxx Andrewxxx VIC Posts: 272
24 25 Jul 2011
Chewie said:
Abbiesaurus said:
On the radio a few weeks ago there was a lady being interviewed (not exactly sure what her profession was) but she has been studying the Indian Myna birds impact in Sydney.
The radio host said that there has been an increase in the number of Myna birds and wanted to know if action is going to be taken to try and reduce their numbers. The lady said that although there population has grown, they don't seem to have any impact on any native birds population. She also said that the Australian Myna Birds (the noisy myna) is actually a much more aggressive and territorial bird than the Indian Myna is. < I can totally agree with that as I always see Noisy Mynas swooping and chasing away other native birds, whereas I have never seen an India Myna do such a thing. There have also been a few incidents where I have found injured birds who were being attacked my noisy mynas...not Indian mynas.

I don't understand why they are trying to reduce the population/eradicate them when they aren't doing any harm? There are so many other things that council money could be put towards that would actually benefit the community...grr.
Agree completely. I've seen Noisy Mynas do this in abundance too but haven't seen much of the Indian Myna do it... But because the Noisy Myna is native, it's OK? Even though they have similar tendencies (with many people arguing that the Noisy Myna is worse?). It's the same with the Koel bird - it lays its eggs in other bird's nests and often drives them out. But again, this is OK because it's a native? I don't think the Indian Myna is any worse or any more destructive than other birds.

For those of you who agree with this program, surely you can't agree with the way they're going about it? Because all the councils and action groups who are enforcing the program are encouraging us to trap them with home made traps and kill them using methods such as breaking their necks ourselves. That's just wrong.
The problems caused by Noisy Miners and Indian Mynas aren't really similar. The Mynas are scavengers and out compete natives for nesting hollows whereas the Miners are aggressive honeyeaters which set up a breeding or feeding territory by chasing smaller honeyeaters away. Noisy Miners have become really common because area like parks have tall eucalypts but no understory of shrubs for the smaller birds to take refuge in and other areas have had their shrub layers grazed away by cattle. If you want to get rid of the Noisy Miners you have to provide shelter for the smaller birds and the Miners will give up trying to set up their territory in that place. But with the Mynas being scavengers the only option is to cull them.

Also in my opinion it would be far more humane to break the birds neck than to transport it to be put down. Breaking the neck is instant but transport is extremely stressful.
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Casper.s2 Casper.s2 SA Posts: 1640
25 26 Jul 2011
Which ones are the noisy and which are the indian?

Today waiting for the bus... near my house... about 9 of them were pecking another dove to death Lol. this time a brown one.. I walked over.. like a large crow dressed in black doing my magpie call... then walked back to the bus station lol.

They flew away.. and left it alone.. but then went pestering else where. The dove just sat partially in the shade of some persons garden shrub over hanging the footpath it was on.. by the fence. And didn't move much in the time my bus took.. I bet they went back after I left.
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Pegs Pegs VIC Posts: 1538
26 26 Jul 2011
Casper.s2 said:
Which ones are the noisy and which are the indian?

Today waiting for the bus... near my house... about 9 of them were pecking another dove to death Lol. this time a brown one.. I walked over.. like a large crow dressed in black doing my magpie call... then walked back to the bus station lol.

They flew away.. and left it alone.. but then went pestering else where. The dove just sat partially in the shade of some persons garden shrub over hanging the footpath it was on.. by the fence. And didn't move much in the time my bus took.. I bet they went back after I left.
Noisy miners are the grey ones. The indians are the dark ones. I think Noisy miners and Magpies are fairly similar. THey are both territorial speacies, and can act agressively.
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Casper.s2 Casper.s2 SA Posts: 1640
27 26 Jul 2011
wattle birds keep order
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Pegs Pegs VIC Posts: 1538
28 26 Jul 2011
Casper.s2 said:
wattle birds keep order
yES. There are a lot of aggressive native birds.
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Casper.s2 Casper.s2 SA Posts: 1640
29 26 Jul 2011
no they are order keepers. they aren't aggressive they just make their birdness known.

another myna was hastling a parrot when I was walking home to the bus... I was all 'what the f**k is going on today'
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Trevor1 Trevor1 NSW Posts: 1
30 17 Jan 2012
Your point of view does have some merit. The dilemma with pest species in general is that if nothing is done, then the invading species takeover. So, if the Indian Myna is not killed, it will kill others, take over their habitat etc. So our collective lack of action results in the deaths of native species, that are already under threat on many other fronts.
You point is more about creating a more humane way to deal with Indian myna. Personally, I don't have a problem with breaking necks. Its quick, painless and cheap. The more important issue is that 'something' needs to be done.
What I do find amazing is the total lack of action by the Victorian Dept of Primary Industries. While it states that the Indian Myna has been listed by the World Conservation Union (IUCN) as among the world’s 100 worst invasive species, it also does not declare myna's as a pest species at all and therefore has no programs in place to control its rampant growth.
This is what the government's position is:
"The Indian Myna is not a declared pest animal under the Catchment and Land Protection Act 1994. The Department of Primary Industries does not consider it reasonable to impose the lawful responsibility of control of Indian Mynas upon all landowners (including those in suburbia) when it is unlikely to result in the desired outcome of 'eradicate or control or prevent its spread in the wild' (the requirements that must be satisfied to be able to declare a species). The Department does not implement specific programs to control Indian Mynas."

If you want more on this check out this site (address below). Also contact your local member, write letters to the editor, the minister for the environment. I don't see the point of trying to save a whole lot of other species, create habitat etc unless our governments develop plans to reduce and control these 'rats of the sky'. Its just not good enough for the issue to be left to landholders.
http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/agriculture/pests-diseases-and-weeds/pest-animals/ag1415-indian-mynas
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