Mokeys slaughtered to create the polio vaccine

Children can become very ill and/or die from getting vaccines. They are harmful. The link you shared - that site is trying to sell T-shirts printed with "no, vaccines don't kill". I don't know how they can even claim that.
I know many people say the benefits outweigh the risks with vaccine use, but I just don't think I can believe that.

One of the points I remember reading about was the frightening increase in medical problems (particularly autism) since vaccines became in use.

I'd also like to mention that the vaccines don't always work. Vaccinated people can still catch the diseases.

If I'm wrong about anything, I don't mind being corrected and shown good proof/evidence.

I love how Natural News is first on that list. Mike Adams is a fraud. Those are not legitimate sources. There is no peer review. It's just opinion. And bad web design. Hell, some of those websites are rubbishing on that vaccines cause autism which is false. (No longer Dr) Mr Wakefield's studies were a fraud.

Just because it can be Googled, doesn't mean anything. Each site needs to be critically analyzed. Apply some skepticism 101 (not conspiracy methods of deducting an answer of the apparently hidden truth) and learn the scientific method is a good place to start.

1 - Anyone take claims vaccines are 100% safe and effective is a liar. No one that knows anything about vaccines would make such a stupid claim. All medical procedures have risk involved. With vaccines it's very rare for someone to have an adverse reaction.

2 - Vaccines DO NOT CAUSE autism. The once Dr, Mr Wakefield, has be barred from practicing medicine and his research on this topic removed due to the discovery of a number of fraudulent and unethical practices in the process and obtaining of the results that claimed to prove this myth.

I'll bring some links for you to have a read another day, as I need sleep.

Of course. But it's strange how many people catch diseases, even though they are vaccinated against them. Makes me wonder how effective the vaccines are.


I had thought this may be a myth, but it is a fact that autism has increased dramatically. Something is causing it.


Okay. I should be going to bed too. >.>
Have a good sleep!

It's all about herd immunity. Effectiveness of vaccines depend on this. As we don't have 100% of the population that can be vaccinated getting their shots in school years PLUS the adult boosters later on (one shot as a kid only last for x amount of time depending on which vaccine it is), the risk of diseases coming back into the community increases and then people do get sick. But being vaccine protected means you are extremely unlikely for you to get fatally sick.

We can't forget this diseases are very capable of killing anyone. The flu can kill. Whooping cough is not just a bad cough. Newborns, immunocompromised, cancer suffers - these groups of people in our society rely on the herd immunity we create to not get sick.

More people vaccinated, the less chance of anyone getting sick and if they do, the risk of suffering is reduced as those diseases won't be capable of hitting as hard as they are capable of with some line of defense.

Here's a short blog post with some external links with further information on herd immunity:
http://www.davethehappysinger.com/blog/2011/10/22/what-is-herd-immunity/


All evidence we have, have smashed the claim that vaccines are linked to the development of autism. Unfortunately, it is appears to be on the rise (some theories point to this rise just being to do with the fact that we are more open to diagnosing young children rather than ignore the problem) and we don't have an answer yet. Blocking science doing what it does best, finding evidence and testing it, delays us finding the answer. It's a waste of time chasing around the vaccine is to blame myth when there is YEARS of solid studies here that debunk it.

I think some of these links came up in that blog post above but here are a few sites:
http://www.chainofprotection.org
http://www.ncirs.edu.au
http://www.antivaxxers.com
http://reasonablehank.com
http://www.stopmeryldorey.com

Edit - forgot the direct link to this which you'll see on some of the above URLs:
http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Publications/Media-Releases/PUBLIC-WARNING-/default.aspx

Thanks for the reading material PurpleFae.


Flu can be very dangerous, but the flu shot can be very troublesome.
Many people here complain of being terribly ill after getting the needle.
My daughters teacher was ill for 6+ months after getting one. My mother-in-law was also very ill for quite some weeks after receiving the shot.
Many people here don't get it done.

My twin sister was in hospital with Pneumonia because of a flu shot. Pneumonia is very very serious, my mums dad died from it- and the doctor said it was 100% because of the flu shot. My mum never forced us to have any shots - my reasoning was because i was scared of needles, and my sisters because she almost died because of it.. I think each is to their own.. Back in the day there was no shots, and people lived longer than what they do now.. I know medically it can benefit you hugely, and im not a skeptic- but i do believe theres got to be some negatives when it comes to them.. They cannot be all they're cracked up to be.. That's just being naive.. And Purple Fae. Your wanting people to take your opinion in, but your being really rude.

I totally agree with you rottweiler....The whole reason I posted about this is because of the experience I had with my son. His seizure lasted for between 12-13 minutes and the ambos told me that if it had of gone fore any longer the result would have been permanent brain damage! So to PurpleFae that is a fact. Do you have children of your own?? Have you helplessly watched your child serverely convulsing and seen their eyes scream out for help knowing there is nothing you can do for them???
That is all.....

I am aware people have reactions and they range from mild to very severe. I stated earlier that they are not 100% and not everyone can have a vaccine. I never argued for compulsory/mandatory vaccination either.

Apologise if it seemed rude - it wasn't a personal attack on those that have had to deal with or watch someone have a bad reaction.

I am friends with families that live in low vaccination rate areas and have lost their newborns to preventable diseases. In one case, Meryl Dorey who works for the Australian Vaccination Network, harassed one of these families. Illegally obtaining their dead baby's medical records in an attempt to publicly tell our country this family lied about their baby dying of whooping cough. She also likes to claim that whooping cough is "just a bad cough". That it's never life threatening.

This is why I fight to get information out there that is evidence based. Anti-vaxxers tend to just provide an emotive argument which in some cases, is understandable but it doesn't stop it from being dangerous to communities.

If it didn't impact everyone around you, then fine. I hate how woo medicine rips off the vulnerable and in many cases, leads them to their death. But if you make that choice to go that path, it only affects yourself and those that love you.

Fear mongering about the science that proves the effectiveness of vaccines impacts everyone in your community. So if you feel I'm rude for thinking you are selfish to not get a vaccine (after discussing with your GP how it works, risks of reactions etc) because it's 'your choice', good for you. I won't sugar coat the truth while preventable diseases make a comeback into Australia and worldwide.