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Catyren Catyren WA • Posts: 542
21 11 Nov 2011
Cassie3 said:
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Karen said:
Hey Cassie3!

First of all, you are absolutely, positively, definitely *not* the only omni here. There are lots of you! And you are all welcome happy

xMISSMONSTERx said:
It's an organisation for taking a stand against animal cruelty.
MissMonster has it pretty much right. Animals Australia is an animal protection organisation whose "goal is to significantly and permanently improve the welfare of all animals in Australia."

Unleashed (http://www.unleashed.org.au) is the youth arm of Animals Australia (http://www.animalsaustralia.org/).

We recognise that vegetarians and vegans only make up a very small precent of the population right now. So, if our organisation was only for these people then we'd be cutting out a massive chunk of the population who also care about animals and can have a big impact on their lives.

A lot of the campaigns we run relate to farmed animals because they represent the largest number of animals who are suffering routine abuse in this country with very few laws to protect them from harm. It is true that the ultimate way you can help protect these animals in your daily life is simply not to eat them - but other people choose to reduce the amount of animal products they eat, while others choose to buy higher welfare products (like organic). All of these choices add up to create significant change for animals. And Animals Australia and Unleashed are here to support and encourage everyone who wants to make changes in their lives - no matter how big or small - that can have a positive impact for animals.

But harping on about what we eat is not the only way we campaign to help animals. There are other campaigns that don't relate to eating choices at all - like fur, animal testing, dog and cat euthanasia, dolphin hunting, live export, etc. Cruelty is cruelty and in some cases it doesn't matter if you're vegetarian or not - you can still make a difference for animals.

That's what we're all about. I hope that clears it up! And I hope you'll stick around happy
Thank you for this info Karen.  I must say that I have not read any posts from other omnis.  Maybe they are keeping 'mum' with their opinions.  You are right cruelty is cruelty and I can categorically state that our animals are well cared for regardless of the fact that the beef cattle are for consumption eventually.  All twelve hundred head of cattle, work dogs, work horses, goats etc.  They are a lot to care for and I think we do a mighty fine job of it.  And just for the record I know that most of our fellow beef producers are just as caring.  I take umbrage at the suggestion that there is routine abuse of livestock on farms.  I think it would pay for some on this website to get right out there and spend some time on a beef producing property such as ours.  I have made the offer on several occasions but none seem willing to broaden their minds.  Ah well one can only hope that one day they will open their minds.  Cheers
While some farmers may care about the welfare of their products not all do. I think it's generally accepted that beef production has a lot fewer welfare problems than for other animals. I'd love to know your take on intensive production of chickens and pigs. A lot of my issues lie with the fact that these animals are slaughtered needlessly in our society and that abbatoir conditions are awful(have family that has worked in one, have tried to set up a visits but not been allowed anywhere near), not just for the animals but for the people working there too. The bottom line is that no matter how well an animal is treated while they're growing they're still going to be killed with no regard, and since the goal is to get as many animals processed as quickly as possible there will no doubt be little care for the welfare of the animals. They're just going to end up dead anyway right.

EDIT: This is entirely my personal view based on my own experience and research and in no way reflects animals australia.
I really don't like the use of the word 'some' in your opening sentence....  It should read 'while some farmers don't take care of their animals most do'... then we maybe on the same page. While some people don't take care of their children most do, while some people don't take care of their workmates most do, while some people don't take care of their pets most do and so forth.  On the whole most people are good.  There are rotten eggs in every walk of life, the farming industry is no exception. Enough of that.   I am not at all keen on factory farming of any sort.  I have yet to take a proactive road on this objection though as I still eat pork and chicken on rare occasions. Now lets get one thing straight people will eat meat forever more.  The question should be how is AA going to work with that.  Cheers
Since I don't just refer to Australia but the globe I think my statement is spot on. The vast majority of the 56 billion land animals raised for food annually are produced in factory farms and CAFO's. Family farms are a rarity in the world today, particularly in the USA. Most of my knowledge is based on US practices and since that single country produces and consumes 1 in 5 of the animals raised for food globally it seems prudent to focus on them just as much as Australia (And considering swine flu, which effected the world, has been tracked back to an american pig farm). Once in-vitro meat becomes viable then perhaps we may be able to accept the fact that the world won't stop eating meat (despite all the pitfalls concerning health). Until that time I will keep trying to get people to realise that there is no difference between eating their beloved dog/cat and the animal on their plate and that if they are averse to eating one species then they're a hypocrite for eating another. My circle of compassion extends to all creatures, and I can one hundred percent call myself an animal lover. One day I hope more people can make that claim.

But I don't just oppose animal agriculture purely from an animal rights stand point. I consider myself an environmentalist and you can't be an environmentalist if you eat animal products.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367646/

The above is a fully sourced article from a peer-reviewed journal discussing global farm animal production and climate change.

Abstract

Background
The farm animal sector is the single largest anthropogenic user of land, contributing to many environmental problems, including global warming and climate change.

Objectives
The aim of this study was to synthesize and expand upon existing data on the contribution of farm animal production to climate change.

Methods
We analyzed the scientific literature on farm animal production and documented greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, as well as various mitigation strategies.

Discussions
An analysis of meat, egg, and milk production encompasses not only the direct rearing and slaughtering of animals, but also grain and fertilizer production for animal feed, waste storage and disposal, water use, and energy expenditures on farms and in transporting feed and finished animal products, among other key impacts of the production process as a whole.

Conclusions
Immediate and far-reaching changes in current animal agriculture practices and consumption patterns are both critical and timely if GHGs from the farm animal sector are to be mitigated.
Keywords: animal agriculture, CAFO, climate change, concentrated animal feeding operation, diet, environment, farm animals, farm animal welfare, food choices, global warming, greenhouse gas emissions (GHGs)
Oh Catyren you talk the talk but you fail miserably to walk the walk.  You will never convince me or that majority of the population that it is possible to feed the world on a vegan diet.  Idealism at it's best......
Well you obviously didn't read the literature. I have read the literature, fully peer reviewed scientific papers that are not associated with animal rights organisations in any way, studies that the United Nations are using to try to convince westerners to reduce animal product consumption. I'm not an idealist, I'm a human that is convinced that the way we're going is going to kill this planet and since animal agriculture is the greatest cause of destruction of arable land it is the issue that needs to be addressed the most. These are finding that my university studies have supported.
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Cassie3 Cassie3 QLD • Posts: 115
22 11 Nov 2011
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Karen said:
Hey Cassie3!

First of all, you are absolutely, positively, definitely *not* the only omni here. There are lots of you! And you are all welcome happy

xMISSMONSTERx said:
It's an organisation for taking a stand against animal cruelty.
MissMonster has it pretty much right. Animals Australia is an animal protection organisation whose "goal is to significantly and permanently improve the welfare of all animals in Australia."

Unleashed (http://www.unleashed.org.au) is the youth arm of Animals Australia (http://www.animalsaustralia.org/).

We recognise that vegetarians and vegans only make up a very small precent of the population right now. So, if our organisation was only for these people then we'd be cutting out a massive chunk of the population who also care about animals and can have a big impact on their lives.

A lot of the campaigns we run relate to farmed animals because they represent the largest number of animals who are suffering routine abuse in this country with very few laws to protect them from harm. It is true that the ultimate way you can help protect these animals in your daily life is simply not to eat them - but other people choose to reduce the amount of animal products they eat, while others choose to buy higher welfare products (like organic). All of these choices add up to create significant change for animals. And Animals Australia and Unleashed are here to support and encourage everyone who wants to make changes in their lives - no matter how big or small - that can have a positive impact for animals.

But harping on about what we eat is not the only way we campaign to help animals. There are other campaigns that don't relate to eating choices at all - like fur, animal testing, dog and cat euthanasia, dolphin hunting, live export, etc. Cruelty is cruelty and in some cases it doesn't matter if you're vegetarian or not - you can still make a difference for animals.

That's what we're all about. I hope that clears it up! And I hope you'll stick around happy
Thank you for this info Karen.  I must say that I have not read any posts from other omnis.  Maybe they are keeping 'mum' with their opinions.  You are right cruelty is cruelty and I can categorically state that our animals are well cared for regardless of the fact that the beef cattle are for consumption eventually.  All twelve hundred head of cattle, work dogs, work horses, goats etc.  They are a lot to care for and I think we do a mighty fine job of it.  And just for the record I know that most of our fellow beef producers are just as caring.  I take umbrage at the suggestion that there is routine abuse of livestock on farms.  I think it would pay for some on this website to get right out there and spend some time on a beef producing property such as ours.  I have made the offer on several occasions but none seem willing to broaden their minds.  Ah well one can only hope that one day they will open their minds.  Cheers
While some farmers may care about the welfare of their products not all do. I think it's generally accepted that beef production has a lot fewer welfare problems than for other animals. I'd love to know your take on intensive production of chickens and pigs. A lot of my issues lie with the fact that these animals are slaughtered needlessly in our society and that abbatoir conditions are awful(have family that has worked in one, have tried to set up a visits but not been allowed anywhere near), not just for the animals but for the people working there too. The bottom line is that no matter how well an animal is treated while they're growing they're still going to be killed with no regard, and since the goal is to get as many animals processed as quickly as possible there will no doubt be little care for the welfare of the animals. They're just going to end up dead anyway right.

EDIT: This is entirely my personal view based on my own experience and research and in no way reflects animals australia.
I really don't like the use of the word 'some' in your opening sentence....  It should read 'while some farmers don't take care of their animals most do'... then we maybe on the same page. While some people don't take care of their children most do, while some people don't take care of their workmates most do, while some people don't take care of their pets most do and so forth.  On the whole most people are good.  There are rotten eggs in every walk of life, the farming industry is no exception. Enough of that.   I am not at all keen on factory farming of any sort.  I have yet to take a proactive road on this objection though as I still eat pork and chicken on rare occasions. Now lets get one thing straight people will eat meat forever more.  The question should be how is AA going to work with that.  Cheers
Since I don't just refer to Australia but the globe I think my statement is spot on. The vast majority of the 56 billion land animals raised for food annually are produced in factory farms and CAFO's. Family farms are a rarity in the world today, particularly in the USA. Most of my knowledge is based on US practices and since that single country produces and consumes 1 in 5 of the animals raised for food globally it seems prudent to focus on them just as much as Australia (And considering swine flu, which effected the world, has been tracked back to an american pig farm). Once in-vitro meat becomes viable then perhaps we may be able to accept the fact that the world won't stop eating meat (despite all the pitfalls concerning health). Until that time I will keep trying to get people to realise that there is no difference between eating their beloved dog/cat and the animal on their plate and that if they are averse to eating one species then they're a hypocrite for eating another. My circle of compassion extends to all creatures, and I can one hundred percent call myself an animal lover. One day I hope more people can make that claim.

But I don't just oppose animal agriculture purely from an animal rights stand point. I consider myself an environmentalist and you can't be an environmentalist if you eat animal products.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367646/

The above is a fully sourced article from a peer-reviewed journal discussing global farm animal production and climate change.

Abstract

Background
The farm animal sector is the single largest anthropogenic user of land, contributing to many environmental problems, including global warming and climate change.

Objectives
The aim of this study was to synthesize and expand upon existing data on the contribution of farm animal production to climate change.

Methods
We analyzed the scientific literature on farm animal production and documented greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, as well as various mitigation strategies.

Discussions
An analysis of meat, egg, and milk production encompasses not only the direct rearing and slaughtering of animals, but also grain and fertilizer production for animal feed, waste storage and disposal, water use, and energy expenditures on farms and in transporting feed and finished animal products, among other key impacts of the production process as a whole.

Conclusions
Immediate and far-reaching changes in current animal agriculture practices and consumption patterns are both critical and timely if GHGs from the farm animal sector are to be mitigated.
Keywords: animal agriculture, CAFO, climate change, concentrated animal feeding operation, diet, environment, farm animals, farm animal welfare, food choices, global warming, greenhouse gas emissions (GHGs)
Oh Catyren you talk the talk but you fail miserably to walk the walk.  You will never convince me or that majority of the population that it is possible to feed the world on a vegan diet.  Idealism at it's best......
Well you obviously didn't read the literature. I have read the literature, fully peer reviewed scientific papers that are not associated with animal rights organisations in any way, studies that the United Nations are using to try to convince westerners to reduce animal product consumption. I'm not an idealist, I'm a human that is convinced that the way we're going is going to kill this planet and since animal agriculture is the greatest cause of destruction of arable land it is the issue that needs to be addressed the most. These are finding that my university studies have supported.
Right Catyren how the devil do you propose to water all of the vegetable crops that would  be needed to sustain even Australia's population on a vegan  diet.  Just so out of the question.  Oh maybe the good old Murray Darling will come to our aid, no wait it is in seriously trouble already.  Anyway would love to hear your plan for feeding us on a vegan diet.  Where is this food to be grown, how is the land to be cleared for such massive plantings, how is the soil to be fertilized for any sort of success and above all how are you planning to water it all.  I will await your ideas. Cheers
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Cassie3 Cassie3 QLD • Posts: 115
23 11 Nov 2011
jack said:
Regardless of whether you agree or not the world's population simply cannot be sustained on a vegan diet.  In this country agriculture is limited to the more fertile land.  And whether you like it or not a lot of that land is now being torn up for mining.  Blame the bloody govt there and some more.  I know I will get howled down by 'facts' and figures as the previous bit of rhetoric.  You tell me how the world will live on a vegan diet and I will tell you that you will be not exactly telling the truth.  It is IMPOSSIBLE. I can take comfort in the fact that most people would know that this is realism not idealism.  AND I am still waiting for all of the omnis who supposedly frequent this site to come forward and state their point.  Come on omnis this is a healthy debate for the most part, thow your hat in the ring, give it a shot, they won't bite.....
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Its said that if humans continue eating the amount of meat they are, we will need more planets to sustain our eating habits, not the other way around. If everyone went vegan all the worlds poor would be fed and we could be sustained in one planet, thats not a practical logic or idea though so i just focus on helping animals , not really constantly pushing a vegan diet.
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Not only is it an impractical idea but it is simply impossible regardless of the wealth of the world.  Some geography needed before you state that the if we were all vegan the world's poor would be fed.  Where pray tell me are you going to find all of that farming land to grow the food needed.  The fact is that much of the lands in this world are suitable only for livestock production.  Please be realistic.
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Catyren Catyren WA • Posts: 542
24 11 Nov 2011
Cassie3 said:
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Catyren said:
Cassie3 said:
Karen said:
Hey Cassie3!

First of all, you are absolutely, positively, definitely *not* the only omni here. There are lots of you! And you are all welcome happy

xMISSMONSTERx said:
It's an organisation for taking a stand against animal cruelty.
MissMonster has it pretty much right. Animals Australia is an animal protection organisation whose "goal is to significantly and permanently improve the welfare of all animals in Australia."

Unleashed (http://www.unleashed.org.au) is the youth arm of Animals Australia (http://www.animalsaustralia.org/).

We recognise that vegetarians and vegans only make up a very small precent of the population right now. So, if our organisation was only for these people then we'd be cutting out a massive chunk of the population who also care about animals and can have a big impact on their lives.

A lot of the campaigns we run relate to farmed animals because they represent the largest number of animals who are suffering routine abuse in this country with very few laws to protect them from harm. It is true that the ultimate way you can help protect these animals in your daily life is simply not to eat them - but other people choose to reduce the amount of animal products they eat, while others choose to buy higher welfare products (like organic). All of these choices add up to create significant change for animals. And Animals Australia and Unleashed are here to support and encourage everyone who wants to make changes in their lives - no matter how big or small - that can have a positive impact for animals.

But harping on about what we eat is not the only way we campaign to help animals. There are other campaigns that don't relate to eating choices at all - like fur, animal testing, dog and cat euthanasia, dolphin hunting, live export, etc. Cruelty is cruelty and in some cases it doesn't matter if you're vegetarian or not - you can still make a difference for animals.

That's what we're all about. I hope that clears it up! And I hope you'll stick around happy
Thank you for this info Karen.  I must say that I have not read any posts from other omnis.  Maybe they are keeping 'mum' with their opinions.  You are right cruelty is cruelty and I can categorically state that our animals are well cared for regardless of the fact that the beef cattle are for consumption eventually.  All twelve hundred head of cattle, work dogs, work horses, goats etc.  They are a lot to care for and I think we do a mighty fine job of it.  And just for the record I know that most of our fellow beef producers are just as caring.  I take umbrage at the suggestion that there is routine abuse of livestock on farms.  I think it would pay for some on this website to get right out there and spend some time on a beef producing property such as ours.  I have made the offer on several occasions but none seem willing to broaden their minds.  Ah well one can only hope that one day they will open their minds.  Cheers
While some farmers may care about the welfare of their products not all do. I think it's generally accepted that beef production has a lot fewer welfare problems than for other animals. I'd love to know your take on intensive production of chickens and pigs. A lot of my issues lie with the fact that these animals are slaughtered needlessly in our society and that abbatoir conditions are awful(have family that has worked in one, have tried to set up a visits but not been allowed anywhere near), not just for the animals but for the people working there too. The bottom line is that no matter how well an animal is treated while they're growing they're still going to be killed with no regard, and since the goal is to get as many animals processed as quickly as possible there will no doubt be little care for the welfare of the animals. They're just going to end up dead anyway right.

EDIT: This is entirely my personal view based on my own experience and research and in no way reflects animals australia.
I really don't like the use of the word 'some' in your opening sentence....  It should read 'while some farmers don't take care of their animals most do'... then we maybe on the same page. While some people don't take care of their children most do, while some people don't take care of their workmates most do, while some people don't take care of their pets most do and so forth.  On the whole most people are good.  There are rotten eggs in every walk of life, the farming industry is no exception. Enough of that.   I am not at all keen on factory farming of any sort.  I have yet to take a proactive road on this objection though as I still eat pork and chicken on rare occasions. Now lets get one thing straight people will eat meat forever more.  The question should be how is AA going to work with that.  Cheers
Since I don't just refer to Australia but the globe I think my statement is spot on. The vast majority of the 56 billion land animals raised for food annually are produced in factory farms and CAFO's. Family farms are a rarity in the world today, particularly in the USA. Most of my knowledge is based on US practices and since that single country produces and consumes 1 in 5 of the animals raised for food globally it seems prudent to focus on them just as much as Australia (And considering swine flu, which effected the world, has been tracked back to an american pig farm). Once in-vitro meat becomes viable then perhaps we may be able to accept the fact that the world won't stop eating meat (despite all the pitfalls concerning health). Until that time I will keep trying to get people to realise that there is no difference between eating their beloved dog/cat and the animal on their plate and that if they are averse to eating one species then they're a hypocrite for eating another. My circle of compassion extends to all creatures, and I can one hundred percent call myself an animal lover. One day I hope more people can make that claim.

But I don't just oppose animal agriculture purely from an animal rights stand point. I consider myself an environmentalist and you can't be an environmentalist if you eat animal products.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367646/

The above is a fully sourced article from a peer-reviewed journal discussing global farm animal production and climate change.

Abstract

Background
The farm animal sector is the single largest anthropogenic user of land, contributing to many environmental problems, including global warming and climate change.

Objectives
The aim of this study was to synthesize and expand upon existing data on the contribution of farm animal production to climate change.

Methods
We analyzed the scientific literature on farm animal production and documented greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, as well as various mitigation strategies.

Discussions
An analysis of meat, egg, and milk production encompasses not only the direct rearing and slaughtering of animals, but also grain and fertilizer production for animal feed, waste storage and disposal, water use, and energy expenditures on farms and in transporting feed and finished animal products, among other key impacts of the production process as a whole.

Conclusions
Immediate and far-reaching changes in current animal agriculture practices and consumption patterns are both critical and timely if GHGs from the farm animal sector are to be mitigated.
Keywords: animal agriculture, CAFO, climate change, concentrated animal feeding operation, diet, environment, farm animals, farm animal welfare, food choices, global warming, greenhouse gas emissions (GHGs)
Oh Catyren you talk the talk but you fail miserably to walk the walk.  You will never convince me or that majority of the population that it is possible to feed the world on a vegan diet.  Idealism at it's best......
Well you obviously didn't read the literature. I have read the literature, fully peer reviewed scientific papers that are not associated with animal rights organisations in any way, studies that the United Nations are using to try to convince westerners to reduce animal product consumption. I'm not an idealist, I'm a human that is convinced that the way we're going is going to kill this planet and since animal agriculture is the greatest cause of destruction of arable land it is the issue that needs to be addressed the most. These are finding that my university studies have supported.
Right Catyren how the devil do you propose to water all of the vegetable crops that would  be needed to sustain even Australia's population on a vegan  diet.  Just so out of the question.  Oh maybe the good old Murray Darling will come to our aid, no wait it is in seriously trouble already.  Anyway would love to hear your plan for feeding us on a vegan diet.  Where is this food to be grown, how is the land to be cleared for such massive plantings, how is the soil to be fertilized for any sort of success and above all how are you planning to water it all.  I will await your ideas. Cheers
You do realise that most of the grain grown around the world goes to feeding the 58 billion farm animals produced globally every year, don't you? Imagine if this land was used to grow crops to feed humans. You're a farmer, you should be well aware how much water your animals require to stay alive(and how much water it takes to grow feed), imagine if that water was used for crops for people. When you take into account the amount of land and water it takes to sustain a meat eating diet as opposed to a plant based diet you can see how detrimental raising animals for food is on our land. Also, if we could get more people growing food plants at home over decorative plants it would certainly be easier. This is what I plan, I want to be as self sufficient as possible and I will give any surplus to my family. There is more than enough food in the world to sustain the current population but it isn't equitably distributed. Doesn't it irk you that australia is in the running for world's fattest nation when others starve?
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Cow Hugger Cow Hugger SA • Posts: 346
25 11 Nov 2011
cassie, the world CAN be vegan, and i believe one day it will be happy
as the demand for meat declines, the veg*n alternatives will increase. The land that is used to grow the crops to feed to livestock can be used to grow food FOR US instead of wasting tonnes of water and grain filtered through an animal. I think the estimate is 1000 litres of water to make 1kg of beef?
the number of animals will decline, because there won't be any reason to keep raping them..

we aren't talking if everyone in the world went vegan right now, we are talking gradually..
we all know that people are brainwashed to think eating meat is normal, but people are becoming aware and i am seeing the number of vegans increase all the time!

maybe read the post i made about carnism, because that is exactly what the majority of people are..
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DaveQB DaveQB NSW • Posts: 287
26 11 Nov 2011
Wolf said:
cassie, the world CAN be vegan, and i believe one day it will be happy
as the demand for meat declines, the veg*n alternatives will increase. The land that is used to grow the crops to feed to livestock can be used to grow food FOR US instead of wasting tonnes of water and grain filtered through an animal. I think the estimate is 1000 litres of water to make 1kg of beef?
the number of animals will decline, because there won't be any reason to keep raping them..

we aren't talking if everyone in the world went vegan right now, we are talking gradually..
we all know that people are brainwashed to think eating meat is normal, but people are becoming aware and i am seeing the number of vegans increase all the time!

maybe read the post i made about carnism, because that is exactly what the majority of people are..
Well said Wolf and Catyren.
Cutting the middle man out would result in there not needing any more land for growing food for us; we just don't need to share most of it with animals as they would not be born into the production system.

Obviously it is not a 1:1 conversion, but overall it would as certain situations would result in greater yields and others less when used to grow food for humans as opposed to animals.

It is just common sense too.  cool


PS I think thread has gone way off course and needs to be split. Mods?
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Glen Glen VIC • Posts: 337
27 11 Nov 2011
Wolf said:
I think the estimate is 1000 litres of water to make 1kg of beef?
Weeeeelllllllll... you may have read the spiel I put up here when I first joined about my experiences with factory farming and chicken processing... the Hazeldene's Chicken Farm processing facility uses over 1 megalitre of water a day, and let's say for argument's sake that today they're knocking 80,000 heads off chickens, that's 12.5 litres of water PER CHICKEN, and only used at the processing plant on the day that the chicken ended up in a cryovac bag. At an average size of 1.2kg (a size 12 "family" BBQ chicken from the stupidmarket), that's around ten litres of water to a kilo of chicken meat.

And I only refer to what is used at the processing plant on that day... you have to consider all of the other background processes involved in producing that piddly 1kg of chicken breast which costs $9.95 at Coles.

Gahh!!!!!! Anyone got a gun? I feel like going postal now.
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Jane Jane SA • Posts: 168
28 11 Nov 2011
Cassie3 said:
Right Catyren how the devil do you propose to water all of the vegetable crops that would  be needed to sustain even Australia's population on a vegan  diet.  Just so out of the question.  Oh maybe the good old Murray Darling will come to our aid, no wait it is in seriously trouble already.  Anyway would love to hear your plan for feeding us on a vegan diet.  Where is this food to be grown, how is the land to be cleared for such massive plantings, how is the soil to be fertilized for any sort of success and above all how are you planning to water it all.  I will await your ideas. Cheers
I think we need to remember where this thread started. And that was that there are all kinds of people vegan, vegos, meat-eaters etc who are concerned about animal welfare and are interested in finding out how they can help to stop it. This is why people jump onto this site and onto the Animals Australia site.

Whether your action is to stop eating animals, or to join protests, or to lobby governments, or even just bring up the topics with friends - every little bit helps in raising the much needed awareness that will help to end cruelty.

Let's remember to listen to everyone's point of view and remain polite and respectful. After all that welcoming atmosphere is what drew us all to the forum in the first place right? happy

Cheers guys!
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Cow Hugger Cow Hugger SA • Posts: 346
29 11 Nov 2011
Jane said:
Cassie3 said:
Right Catyren how the devil do you propose to water all of the vegetable crops that would  be needed to sustain even Australia's population on a vegan  diet.  Just so out of the question.  Oh maybe the good old Murray Darling will come to our aid, no wait it is in seriously trouble already.  Anyway would love to hear your plan for feeding us on a vegan diet.  Where is this food to be grown, how is the land to be cleared for such massive plantings, how is the soil to be fertilized for any sort of success and above all how are you planning to water it all.  I will await your ideas. Cheers
I think we need to remember where this thread started. And that was that there are all kinds of people vegan, vegos, meat-eaters etc who are concerned about animal welfare and are interested in finding out how they can help to stop it. This is why people jump onto this site and onto the Animals Australia site.

Whether your action is to stop eating animals, or to join protests, or to lobby governments, or even just bring up the topics with friends - every little bit helps in raising the much needed awareness that will help to end cruelty.

Let's remember to listen to everyone's point of view and remain polite and respectful. After all that welcoming atmosphere is what drew us all to the forum in the first place right? happy

Cheers guys!
eep, one last thing
and with the use of land ect i've seen a model of a greenhouse type building that goes up stories instead of just across the land! i can't really recall much information on it, but it's part of the venus project (if you've never heard of it, look it up)
I've also seen a study that said 30% of the world surface is being used for meat production, whilst 5% used for plants could feed the entire planet for a year..

and i agree! that's why i was attracted to this site! everyone is so friendly, respectful and intelligent. most of all they care about animals!

and Glen, i did read what you wrote about your experiences! It's such a large quantity and it's something not many people would even consider when they are eating this stuff sad
cows on farms live about 2 years? and they weight about 500kgs?
i can't even..
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Glen Glen VIC • Posts: 337
30 11 Nov 2011
Wolf said:
cows on farms live about 2 years? and they weight about 500kgs?
i can't even..
Yup... and those chickens I referred to were between 2 and 4 months old at time of slaughter. It's wrong... when I was growing up we had land, and had a shed full of chooks who would do all the usual happy chook stuff during the day and we'd lock them up at night so the foxes didn't get it. They took twice the time to reach the size of factory farm birds... and people seem happy to put that stuff in their stomachs.

More on the water thing: when I worked for the poultry farming contractor we did a number of factory farm shed clean up jobs. When it got to the pressure-washing stage, the water use was astronomical. Maths time again:

The 2500psi diesel pump used 14 litres of water per minute. 14x60= 840L per hour.
8 hours in the day = 6720L per day
5 days to wash the shed = 33600L per week
Multiply by four pressure washers = 134,400L of water used to wash the shed.

Divide that by the 25,000 birds who lived in the shed for only one year = 5.376L of water to clean up after each chicken. Doesn't sound like much, until you take that whole figure again and multiply it by the 8 sheds that were on that ONE FARM... and it's over 1 megalitre again, for cleaning up after twelve months' worth of animal abuse.

That water would be far better off being dumped on a lentil crop, eh folks?
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