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Human omnivore myth

World reknowned cardiologist shatters human omnivore myth in one sentence.

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TheSixthStitch TheSixthStitch Aruba Posts: 988
21 19 Nov 2011
Glen said:
You crack me up mate... is that APA? MLA user here... I prefer to give my lecturers Author/Page Number in-text citations, so that my references and paraphrases are verifiable.
It's AAU. I make it up as I go along.
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z1 z1 VIC Posts: 535
22 19 Nov 2011
Glen said:
First point: why are you assuming that a leading evolutionary expert is necessarily male? Watch your words.
I said it in the same way people say "man made global warming" or "manslaughter"
and because I'm a rabid sexist

Glen said:
Well you're free to think what you want to. If you're going to resort to fallacious reasoning to support your argument, we're bashing our heads against the wall.
asking for proof from an expert is fallacious?

Glen said:
I don't believe we need to refer to evolutionary biologists to support a claim that there is a strong correlation between meat eating and heart disease, and I'm quite happy to listen to what a world-renowned anthropologist has to say about the culinary habits of prehistoric man, and use their researched opinions in conjunction with the findings of a medical professional to remind me never to look at flesh as food again.
we weren't debating whether meat was healthy. Hell, even if it reduced early mans life by 50 years it wouldnt mean that they were herbivores. That's a fallacious argument.
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z1 z1 VIC Posts: 535
23 19 Nov 2011
TheSixthStitch said:
Anthropologist Steven Mithen maintains that australopithecines, prior to the homo genus (their brain-sized was not considered sufficient enough to qualify for genus Homo), were largely vegetarians.
and this is as close as you'll get.

And of course it would also depend on locality.
Such as Aboriginals in Tassie vs aboriginals in NSW
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Glen Glen VIC Posts: 337
24 19 Nov 2011
Aaron said:
asking for proof from an expert is fallacious?
No, but the way you asked for it is. You want me to back up my belief by name dropping, something which you knew I probably couldn't do before you even started hammering on the keyboard. It didn't strengthen your case at all, and that's fallacious.

Now go play in traffic.
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Glen Glen VIC Posts: 337
25 19 Nov 2011
Aaron said:
And of course it would also depend on locality.
Such as Aboriginals in Tassie vs aboriginals in NSW
But how long have indigenous Australians been about? 100k years max? Australopithecus, the genus which TheSixthStitch refers to, is waaaaaaay older than that.
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z1 z1 VIC Posts: 535
26 19 Nov 2011
^ I'm not sure how long aboriginals lived in Tassie. Just an example of locality forcing different diets


But I would think that those living through different ice ages would increase their meat consumption as opposed to those with more stable climates like Africa.
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Beemo Beemo United States Posts: 1259
27 19 Nov 2011
Wolf said:
i never said we were herbivores, but you can't just ignore the appendix?
I totally agree with everything you just said! our brains were and are, our most precious and dangerous weapons.
i think the real problem, is greed and over indulging.
Sorry, I wasn't directing everything I said at you, I was kind of replying to the whole thread in general including what you said wink

I agree throughout most of history humans have mainly consumed a plant based diet, only eating small amounts of animal products. But in latter years humans meat consumption has increased, and now it has gotten to the point where people are eating what most people would agree are unhealthy amounts.

Because we can survive on a vegan diet some people jump to the conclusion that it makes us herbivores, when in fact many omnivorous animals can survive on a plant based diet too. Take gorillas and chickens for example, they are both omnivores but they can live perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet.

It just annoys me that this debate always keep coming up, it's completely irrelevant to modern day humans and why some of us choose to live on a plant-based diet.
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Cassie3 Cassie3 QLD Posts: 115
28 19 Nov 2011
PurpleFae said:
Interesting.

Personally when I get into this topic with anyone, to me it's more of a matter of "are humans capable in the western world (I try to be specific or I get into an argument about diets in the third world and you know that gets messy...) to live off a plant based diet?"

Then when they say no, ask them about all the very health vegan people, particularly in sports or high profile sort of positions.

I don't usually bother with all the "But humans are meant to eat meat, joooo!" debates. I don't eat animal products to assist in a small way in reducing suffering as I can do it without increasing suffering on myself or anyone else. It's nothing to do with if humans are "suppose to" for me.
No humans are not capable of living off a plant based diet in the western world.  Nowhere in the world actually unless you live in one of the salad bowl areas in our world, restricted and non replenishable lands.  I have asked the following question on several occasions but am yet to get any logical, sensible answers. Even if the Australian population was to attempt to be sustainded on a vegan diet how do vegans propose that the plant life needed would be watered ?  Now I want reasonable answers not hysterical suggestions.
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Cow Hugger Cow Hugger SA Posts: 346
29 19 Nov 2011
Abbiesaurus said:
Sorry, I wasn't directing everything I said at you, I was kind of replying to the whole thread in general including what you said wink

I agree throughout most of history humans have mainly consumed a plant based diet, only eating small amounts of animal products. But in latter years humans meat consumption has increased, and now it has gotten to the point where people are eating what most people would agree are unhealthy amounts.

Because we can survive on a vegan diet some people jump to the conclusion that it makes us herbivores, when in fact many omnivorous animals can survive on a plant based diet too. Take gorillas and chickens for example, they are both omnivores but they can live perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet.

It just annoys me that this debate always keep coming up, it's completely irrelevant to modern day humans and why some of us choose to live on a plant-based diet.
haha that's okay happy

i totally agree, i was watching david attenboroughs life of mammals the other day and there was a section about omnivores, i think humans would come under that classification
but like you said, we can live off a plant based diet and be perfectly healthy, which means we don't need it.
i recently read some gorillas do eat meat sad sometimes even their own young D=

obviously peoples reasons vary as to why they are vegan, but i think we all agree a plant based diet is the healthiest happy
i think the western countries are over indulging in the amount of meat they eat.
they eat it in every meal, it's the main part of the meal and that's not how it should be.
they are consuming so much that it's making them sick sad and yet they still do it
with non-human animals, they only eat as much as they need to survive, we are just messing with nature and it's terrible!
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Cassie3 Cassie3 QLD Posts: 115
30 19 Nov 2011
Abbiesaurus said:
Wolf said:
i never said we were herbivores, but you can't just ignore the appendix?
I totally agree with everything you just said! our brains were and are, our most precious and dangerous weapons.
i think the real problem, is greed and over indulging.
Sorry, I wasn't directing everything I said at you, I was kind of replying to the whole thread in general including what you said wink

I agree throughout most of history humans have mainly consumed a plant based diet, only eating small amounts of animal products. But in latter years humans meat consumption has increased, and now it has gotten to the point where people are eating what most people would agree are unhealthy amounts.

Because we can survive on a vegan diet some people jump to the conclusion that it makes us herbivores, when in fact many omnivorous animals can survive on a plant based diet too. Take gorillas and chickens for example, they are both omnivores but they can live perfectly healthy on a plant-based diet.

It just annoys me that this debate always keep coming up, it's completely irrelevant to modern day humans and why some of us choose to live on a plant-based diet.
You can choose that diet Abbiesaurus but it is impossible for the world's population to live on your diet.  In fact it is impossible for most to live on that diet.  Maybe you should be relieved that most people do eat meat thus allowing you the luxury of an abundance of foods relevant to you diet.  If that weren't the case starvation would prevail...... guaranteed......
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