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When does an introduced species become native?

a paper just published in the journal PLoS One

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TheSixthStitch TheSixthStitch Aruba Posts: 988
1 17 Feb 2012
Friend of mine has been conducting her PHD on the relationship between native and invasive species. She recently published a paper with her supervisor. Here's a brief news article about it on University of Sydney's website:

http://sydney.edu.au/news/science/397.html?newscategoryid=60&newsstoryid=8656

Definitely an interesting take.
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RaV3N RaV3N WA Posts: 2152
2 17 Feb 2012
Interesting theory!
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Casper.s2 Casper.s2 SA Posts: 1640
3 18 Feb 2012
so animals are decidedly native when bandicoots and cats are all cool with each other

domestic and native I believe are diametrically different categories which cannot interrelate, if an animal is classed domestic it cannot be considered for a natural classing

or in the least 'an animal must be wild first before it can be determined whether it is native or not'.

I was surprised to find out peppercorn trees are weeds in national parks...

I feel they are native now with their long held recognitions with rural school yards and city life...

they are domestic trees... as most in suburbia.. but they are also wild so can be considered for a native classing... they have spread out and found the spaces other plants havn't made root... and they have rotten and supported life here.. also...

it is apparent that a weed is merely something one doesn't want to see in their garden...

going by the feel and sight of a peppercorn in australia.. it's bark and large nature.. just that semblance makes me feel it is a native by now.


I never know what pigeons are native and i'm always surprised by  discoveries of diverse reality here;.; new little things i didnt know to be australian...

my heritage in australia on mums side goes back to the boat after the buffalo..
7th generation...

am I native yet"? OR are aboriginals the only 'native australians'...

I MEAN.. I call myself australian... terra australis... but is that a name like concrete slab foundation we've poured over the reality of what this land was... its nomad a - b origins.

SO if I am not native... by now...

HOW can any Australian.. decide WHAT is native here?

only aboriginals can do that.. we can't tell their land what is native when we aren't...

just how a cat can't tell a bandicoot that dogs are native...


so then....

maybe we can only do this.. we can only say what is native to 'AUSTRALIA'... because australia is ours... our conception.. our perceptions of what australia is are our own.. but of the land? or the natives.... that reality is something we've been working and fighting and like the forest burn off in malaysia being more about killing the land claims off before they occur... I mean the deforestation of the world isn't about the revenue that starved of life farmers crop up after isn't the industry.. the industry IS deforestation.. wood.. paper... University and college brochures that weigh a tone of Ink and validity of a year...

OR RING IN A TREE IS APPARENTLY ALL ITS EONS ARE WORTH


that native reality... is what we toil and disdain the working life.. but PUSH through it FOR THE ECONOMY...

which is just a matter of how many times can you split a bar of gold which has become so finite... gold coins are painted...


reality...

native...


this is what we have been living to destroy

our aspirations.. metallic future coffins of civilization...
electronically intuitive intellects of houses

our future... our dreaming...

history is what we've made of the dreaming
of time.. we de- story this .. with our days...

on SOME religious calendar of 'saviors'... of... 'language smothers'

or educators;;;   of the punishment...

OF disease bringers...

our fireworks we marvel at like it is the birth of fire itself...

letting off the surplus of A year and all the kind progress of eco gestures... in a fog of war smoke..


movies replace the war... the explosive impact on the land remains..

humans taken out of the equation.. into surplus...

when do the first Australians become Native...

how can an animal we've introduced become, before...

following this studies concept...

to a point...

integration... and.. how the natives cope...

IS the answer to this thesis...

Bandicoots have become something they have NEVER been ...

are they native anymore... living on a land ... on a toiled... remade land.. that is not their own?


can a domestic animal become native ... before a slave.. or a settler...

because.. we are Human type genus... anything but Native..

lost of identity... settler pilgrims ..

finding the faith by spreading it until it can be levered upon their own mind that it is truth...

preach on.... that truth thine seeks to believe.
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Casper.s2 Casper.s2 SA Posts: 1640
4 18 Feb 2012
précis [for those whom don't feel like the read]


apply domestic bandicoot logic to aboriginals...

de-earthed... unearthen.. alien to their own home.

Are they Native anymore,
dreamtime stone aura.. soil..
plant that grow there.

caged by Australia...

world of caging Lexiconsss-----..


We have only seen Banticoots in our own presence... thus...
do we know a Native Bandicoot... do we know a Native Aboriginal..

from a domesticated one... Native Australian is more polite...

because the word we put on land... is closer to land than the..

people we removed from land.. and the name put on them now removed...

maybe .. if they were still Real.. now...

Calling them Native Aboriginal would be more polite than Native Australian..

BECAUSE WE would be Known as Native Australians..

and to them their name would be closer to the earth..
as with their connection to land,
via surviving it...

longer than we seem to be able to with our ...

so-so cherished and pride progress


I think that was it...

the rest was just tangent-ed points missing words... like a typo jumble term

∴  misspelt sentence
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TheSixthStitch TheSixthStitch Aruba Posts: 988
5 22 Feb 2012
You can listen to the ABC Radio National segment here:

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2012/02/bth_20120220_1145.mp3
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