Unethical vegetarians and vegans...

Of course, but what is ';where possible?'

and some people thinking beating up  indians or eating meat is ok too..

Yes it does though that's more due to other people treating me like shit and beating myself esteem down to absolute zero. I reached a point where i was trying to constantly kill myself and ended up getting locked up for a month where i couldn't see my friends family and was force feed drugs . I even saw some of the doctors bash a pregant girl.. but thats another story

maby instead of being a c**ty prick you can try to use understanding  to work out why people feel the way they do. I shouldn't have to explain myslef to assholes considering there the reason i am the way i am.

so you don't care about the african children who are currently starving to death or the child prostitutes in india forced to work and sometime so brutally abused that they die from internal hemorrhaging at the age of 6?
not at all?

look at the post above and you will understand why i said what i said.
we are very very privileged people but giving up is no better than causing harm
i'm sorry if i offended you but seriously, it could be worse. you may be in a town where you fear walking around cause of landmines or fear getting your arm chopped off for stealing food for your family and you are faced with the option of stealing and have the possibility of getting caught or come home empty handed and have your whole family die of starvation so, yes, what you experienced is horrible but you are a very lucky man to be where you are in the world. every 12 seconds a child dies of hunger. count with me; one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, dead.

I love how people always bring up "starving children in africa". Like, it's the first thing their minds go to when they think of human rights. Nothing against it, just an interesting observation..



Anyway, I don't think any vegan claims to be 100% cruelty free. That's ridiculous. No one can be 100% cruelty free. I could write an essay on this, but I'm tired.

remember we also have the priveledge of being nice to one another. the people you describe do not have the freedom we do, no, and ii can see your point but wouldn't you be angry if you were an ethiopian but still saw that there was hate amongst the luckier countries? what hope would you have had? i think they'd be even more unhappy if we (the lucky ones) didn't make the most of what we have. we'd be wasting away happiness right in front of third world countries' noses.

I'd be interested to hear how you think milk can be produced ethically?  Eggs - possibly if you had them from your own hens that had been rescued, otherwise I can't see how they can be ethical either.  

And I do hear where you're coming from otherwise, but personally, being involved in trying to educate people to become vegan - I find that is hard enough as it is, without ruling out products from companies such as Nestle.  Products like Oreos I think are actually a good thing - people actually get quite excited when they hear they can still eat those kind of foods - the more convenient and easy to come by food people think they can still have if they go vegan, the better as far as I'm concerned.

what do you want me to say .... that im selfish??

I much prefer the company of animals then people like you who coments on a post called 'unethical VEGETARIANS and VEGANS' even though you still eat meat.


im selfish ..

Ethics, ethics...
When I refer to myself as being passionate for animal rights, I mean all animals. Human and non-human alike. Beef to grain ratio? Livestock consumes 80% of plant life on this planet. When you go vegan, it doesn't just help non-human animals.
I can see where your coming from, and it's people 'like that' that get others calling us extremists. I remember reading in the opinion section of the newspaper once... "Bring up the subject of humans dying in Africa and you wont get a second glance, but threaten the life of a rabbit and your done for."- on 'animal extremists'. And PETA don't do much for that either.
I do as much for humans as I do for other animals, sign petitions, educate people etc. I don't think there are many people that care for other animals rights than they do for humans, it's just that most of us get a say, and even though (if you've ever been through the legal system) it's not much sometimes, it's better than the billions of others out there. I mean, clean water whenever we want it! Food, shelter, education and countless luxuries.

And on 'ethical' cow's milk, what would happen to the calf? feed it milk from another cow?

I think for some people, supporting every rights group out there would probably seem like a bit of work. I don't think we should discourage the people who remove animal products from their lives, as that is a very big step to make. All in all, everyone does what they can, if it's not as much as somebody else that's not the end of the world. Atleast it's something. And it's a very big something at that.

Also Legry makes a very good point that I was going to attempt to make but they worded it a lot better than I ever could.