YAY! GOOD JOB
does that include yourself? it should.
Yes it does though that's more due to other people treating me like shit and beating myself esteem down to absolute zero. I reached a point where i was trying to constantly kill myself and ended up getting locked up for a month where i couldn't see my friends family and was force feed drugs . I even saw some of the doctors bash a pregant girl.. but thats another story
maybe instead of being a c**ty prick you can try to use understanding to work out why people feel the way they do. I shouldn't have to explain myslef to assholes considering there the reason i am the way i am.
look at the post above and you will understand why i said what i said.
we are very very privileged people but giving up is no better than causing harm
i'm sorry if i offended you but seriously, it could be worse.
jeeeeeeeeez
for having the brain to discuss human rights, it's surprising how ignorant you are of the world.
this guy takes medicine for anxiety. he's talked of not being able to go shopping in normal shopping centres (sorry bop if i got this wrong)
and from knowing someone with debilitating anxiety attacks, using your example as an analogy, normal life for the person i know IS LIKE walking around, waiting for a mine to explode. the guy i know can't go outside, sometimes not even outside his room, due to his anxiety. he cannot like a normal life (not bop, but a irl friend of mine).
it's gross that you make such swooping comments about mental illness. it will be hard for you to comprehend this, but for some suffers of anxiety, being confined to a 3rd world country is not unlike their life today.
i think you owe bop an apology just personally.
ummmm how do you know he has anxiety and how do you know he is getting treated
and how the f**k can you compare anxiety to starving to death or being tortured to the very inch of your life!
i feel for you and am sorry you have it but come on man, seriously.
you see, you're so ignorant of this whole thing.
because you can't see the "gun" as bop talks of, you don't understand and so just diss his problems. to him, at times like he has said, it is like a gun is pointed at his head. that's torture.
but nvm. mental illness is still a issue you can be "excused" to be ignorant of. but when you know someone with mental illness, such as anxiety, you realise how much of a problem and how cruel a problem it is.
please read the above quoted discussions
Zachory i noticed you went from eating meat to being completely vegan in the space off two hours? even deleted a message grace wrote to you about eating meat and you both log on at the same time. I assume your may just be a account grace has made to cover her self. If its not to much of a problem would a mod be able to check the ip adresses.. i bet they match.
I'm not a part of your discussion? I started this on a completely different topic and now I have you three flooding it with abuse toward one another. I have no control over whoever's consumer choices. Go ahead and check i.p. addresses if it pleases you, but I don't really want you on this discussion board. It's not a war.
lol, not a war
i just think it was too far when zachkory dismissed mental illness as a real problem.
YAY! GOOD JOB
does that include yourself? it should.
Yes it does though that's more due to other people treating me like shit and beating myself esteem down to absolute zero. I reached a point where i was trying to constantly kill myself and ended up getting locked up for a month where i couldn't see my friends family and was force feed drugs . I even saw some of the doctors bash a pregant girl.. but thats another story
maybe instead of being a c**ty prick you can try to use understanding to work out why people feel the way they do. I shouldn't have to explain myslef to assholes considering there the reason i am the way i am.
look at the post above and you will understand why i said what i said.
we are very very privileged people but giving up is no better than causing harm
i'm sorry if i offended you but seriously, it could be worse.
jeeeeeeeeez
for having the brain to discuss human rights, it's surprising how ignorant you are of the world.
this guy takes medicine for anxiety. he's talked of not being able to go shopping in normal shopping centres (sorry bop if i got this wrong)
and from knowing someone with debilitating anxiety attacks, using your example as an analogy, normal life for the person i know IS LIKE walking around, waiting for a mine to explode. the guy i know can't go outside, sometimes not even outside his room, due to his anxiety. he cannot like a normal life (not bop, but a irl friend of mine).
it's gross that you make such swooping comments about mental illness. it will be hard for you to comprehend this, but for some suffers of anxiety, being confined to a 3rd world country is not unlike their life today.
i think you owe bop an apology just personally.
ummmm how do you know he has anxiety and how do you know he is getting treated
and how the f**k can you compare anxiety to starving to death or being tortured to the very inch of your life!
i feel for you and am sorry you have it but come on man, seriously.
you see, you're so ignorant of this whole thing.
because you can't see the "gun" as bop talks of, you don't understand and so just diss his problems. to him, at times like he has said, it is like a gun is pointed at his head. that's torture.
but nvm. mental illness is still a issue you can be "excused" to be ignorant of. but when you know someone with mental illness, such as anxiety, you realise how much of a problem and how cruel a problem it is.
please read the above quoted discussions
Zachory i noticed you went from eating meat to being completely vegan in the space off two hours? even deleted a message grace wrote to you about eating meat and you both log on at the same time. I assume your may just be a account grace has made to cover her self. If its not to much of a problem would a mod be able to check the ip adresses.. i bet they match.
I'm not a part of your discussion? I started this on a completely different topic and now I have you three flooding it with abuse toward one another. I have no control over whoever's consumer choices. Go ahead and check i.p. addresses if it pleases you, but I don't really want you on this discussion board. It's not a war.
YAY! GOOD JOB
does that include yourself? it should.
Yes it does though that's more due to other people treating me like shit and beating myself esteem down to absolute zero. I reached a point where i was trying to constantly kill myself and ended up getting locked up for a month where i couldn't see my friends family and was force feed drugs . I even saw some of the doctors bash a pregant girl.. but thats another story
maybe instead of being a c**ty prick you can try to use understanding to work out why people feel the way they do. I shouldn't have to explain myslef to assholes considering there the reason i am the way i am.
look at the post above and you will understand why i said what i said.
we are very very privileged people but giving up is no better than causing harm
i'm sorry if i offended you but seriously, it could be worse.
jeeeeeeeeez
for having the brain to discuss human rights, it's surprising how ignorant you are of the world.
this guy takes medicine for anxiety. he's talked of not being able to go shopping in normal shopping centres (sorry bop if i got this wrong)
and from knowing someone with debilitating anxiety attacks, using your example as an analogy, normal life for the person i know IS LIKE walking around, waiting for a mine to explode. the guy i know can't go outside, sometimes not even outside his room, due to his anxiety. he cannot like a normal life (not bop, but a irl friend of mine).
it's gross that you make such swooping comments about mental illness. it will be hard for you to comprehend this, but for some suffers of anxiety, being confined to a 3rd world country is not unlike their life today.
i think you owe bop an apology just personally.
ummmm how do you know he has anxiety and how do you know he is getting treated
and how the f**k can you compare anxiety to starving to death or being tortured to the very inch of your life!
i feel for you and am sorry you have it but come on man, seriously.
you see, you're so ignorant of this whole thing.
because you can't see the "gun" as bop talks of, you don't understand and so just diss his problems. to him, at times like he has said, it is like a gun is pointed at his head. that's torture.
but nvm. mental illness is still a issue you can be "excused" to be ignorant of. but when you know someone with mental illness, such as anxiety, you realise how much of a problem and how cruel a problem it is.
please read the above quoted discussions
Zachory i noticed you went from eating meat to being completely vegan in the space off two hours? even deleted a message grace wrote to you about eating meat and you both log on at the same time. I assume your may just be a account grace has made to cover her self. If its not to much of a problem would a mod be able to check the ip adresses.. i bet they match.
I'm not a part of your discussion? I started this on a completely different topic and now I have you three flooding it with abuse toward one another. I have no control over whoever's consumer choices. Go ahead and check i.p. addresses if it pleases you, but I don't really want you on this discussion board. It's not a war.
not yet but ill will be.
ummmm okay... well you have fun with that.
oh and nice grammar
hmm...this is a fantastic discussion here, and to be honest, i'm not quite sure which side of the fence i'm on!
i think for starters it needs to be said that vegetarianism/veganism is not a competition to see who can prove to be the most cruelty free. we're all gonna have a bunch of different ideas about what's cruel and what's not when it comes down to the nitty gritty (i.e. the honey debate or boycotting companies versus supporting their vegan products to ensure we can still eat!) but obviously we can all agree that slaughter and invasive animal testing is wrong. i think this is the key thing to remember; in that choosing not to eat meat or animal products, we are all invariably making ourselves examples of the vegetarian/vegan lifestyles for those that still eat meat. personally, i want my friends to see that being a vegetarian/vegan is not a major restriction on your life, and that in fact, in can be quite rewarding, both health-wise and (excuse the cliché) for your conscience.
having said that, i would never choose to buy anything from mcdonalds or kfc, simply because their staple menu is meat. there are plenty of other fast food joints out there that do not treat animals as disgustingly (or at least, we presume so, since there are probably some cases not as well documented as the two mentioned above) and that also serve a wider range of vegetarian/vegan options. companies like this can’t grow money on trees (despite the fact that the gluttonous behaviour of some of their figureheads suggests otherwise) and so they have to apportion their expenses in such a way that they maximise their revenue. if they see that vegan products are selling a hell of a lot faster than their animal-based products, they will be more inclined to cull production that involves animals in favour of the vegan products. i don’t know if it’s possible, but my ideal world would be one in which companies such as these shifted all production to vegan options, simply because there were so many people buying those products that it was useless for them to continue producing anything else.
i think what i'm trying to say, with all my excessive rambling, is that our lifestyle is all about sending a message, whether we mean to or not. choosing to purchase things from companies with a greater range of options for us, lets other companies know that we want products that don’t rely on any form of animal cruelty. eating like a normal person, instead of a fastidious nutcase, when with friends sends an equally important message to them that being a vegetarian/vegan is just as easy as continuing to eat meat.
Well said Emj! A debate is fine but personal attacks are not. Be sensitive. Obviously everyone here love animals so don't waste that energy on us! (And Bop luv ya! )
hmm...this is a fantastic discussion here, and to be honest, i'm not quite sure which side of the fence i'm on!
i think for starters it needs to be said that vegetarianism/veganism is not a competition to see who can prove to be the most cruelty free. we're all gonna have a bunch of different ideas about what's cruel and what's not when it comes down to the nitty gritty (i.e. the honey debate or boycotting companies versus supporting their vegan products to ensure we can still eat!) but obviously we can all agree that slaughter and invasive animal testing is wrong. i think this is the key thing to remember; in that choosing not to eat meat or animal products, we are all invariably making ourselves examples of the vegetarian/vegan lifestyles for those that still eat meat. personally, i want my friends to see that being a vegetarian/vegan is not a major restriction on your life, and that in fact, in can be quite rewarding, both health-wise and (excuse the cliché) for your conscience.
having said that, i would never choose to buy anything from mcdonalds or kfc, simply because their staple menu is meat. there are plenty of other fast food joints out there that do not treat animals as disgustingly (or at least, we presume so, since there are probably some cases not as well documented as the two mentioned above) and that also serve a wider range of vegetarian/vegan options. companies like this can’t grow money on trees (despite the fact that the gluttonous behaviour of some of their figureheads suggests otherwise) and so they have to apportion their expenses in such a way that they maximise their revenue. if they see that vegan products are selling a hell of a lot faster than their animal-based products, they will be more inclined to cull production that involves animals in favour of the vegan products. i don’t know if it’s possible, but my ideal world would be one in which companies such as these shifted all production to vegan options, simply because there were so many people buying those products that it was useless for them to continue producing anything else.
i think what i'm trying to say, with all my excessive rambling, is that our lifestyle is all about sending a message, whether we mean to or not. choosing to purchase things from companies with a greater range of options for us, lets other companies know that we want products that don’t rely on any form of animal cruelty. eating like a normal person, instead of a fastidious nutcase, when with friends sends an equally important message to them that being a vegetarian/vegan is just as easy as continuing to eat meat.
Well said Emj! A debate is fine but personal attacks are not. Be sensitive. Obviously everyone here love animals so don't waste that energy on us! (And Bop luv ya! )
This site has a nifty guide which you can also buy around Melbourne if you are interested in boycotting unethical companies. However, I feel the right to call myself cruelty-free and I'm sorry if you disagree with that. I also find it hard to see how not buying Oreos will hurt that company. Even if no one buys Oreos, it's not like Kraft will be like "now let's start paying our coffee workers a fair wage and stop using genetically modified ingredients!" ...wouldn't it have more impact on the issue to send a letter?
This current opinion I have just expressed could be blamed on just plain unawareness so I hope I didn't offend anyone it just seems really different to boycotting companies which test on animals for example, where you drop the whole line and there are campaigns against it and the company knows why they have lost some customers.
There is also the issue these days that groceries have sky-rocketed and some of us can barely afford to eat so sometimes it's a bit difficult to buy all Australian-owned, ethical products.
This site has a nifty guide which you can also buy around Melbourne if you are interested in boycotting unethical companies. However, I feel the right to call myself cruelty-free and I'm sorry if you disagree with that. I also find it hard to see how not buying Oreos will hurt that company. Even if no one buys Oreos, it's not like Kraft will be like "now let's start paying our coffee workers a fair wage and stop using genetically modified ingredients!" ...wouldn't it have more impact on the issue to send a letter?
This current opinion I have just expressed could be blamed on just plain unawareness so I hope I didn't offend anyone it just seems really different to boycotting companies which test on animals for example, where you drop the whole line and there are campaigns against it and the company knows why they have lost some customers.
There is also the issue these days that groceries have sky-rocketed and some of us can barely afford to eat so sometimes it's a bit difficult to buy all Australian-owned, ethical products.
I don't disagree with you being cruelty free at all ^.^ I already copy and pasted the website from EJay in the "medicine" topic.
Although it would have more impact to actively protest against said companies, I won't buy products from them either, and that's my form of passive protest. With the hundreds of other things to keep up with in life, and the fact that a lot of products are imported from overseas, it can be difficult to make the time to seek out such protests.
The money thing was mentioned earlier. We all do what we can.
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