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Apple Scruff VIC • Posts: 180

61 12 Nov 2009

And what, are we supposed to not buy from coles or woolworths cos they sell bad shit? Or the organic shop with milk and meat?
Or even the fruit and vegie shop with egg cartons?

Obviously it's preferable to buy from a vegan-only, fair trade etc company BUT there is a difference between the product you buy and who you buy it from.The buying of the product has a certain ethical necessity question whereas the company/outlet is a hazier question...

Apple Scruff VIC • Posts: 180

62 12 Nov 2009

Zachory said:

jack said:

Grace! said:

So if you buy a salad from KFC, that's okay?

no its not
i run an anti KFC campign
I try to buy ethically when possible but im a vegan.

hey jack... you are a silly head
grace is right. the world does need to change, consumerism is rampant and not in a good way

It is, and it bnrings the objectification of every aspect of our lives......but I think this is something that needs to be campaigned against, studied, protested, spoken about in all situations to change social attitudes - buying ro not buying just isn't that big ad eal in this situation...We're talking revolution to an extent... buying from coke (most bottled water and soft drink is owned by them by the way) or buying from safeway wont matter much

RaV3N WA • Posts: 2152

63 13 Nov 2009

Apple Scruff said:

This is what I was starting to think...

Unless you live off the land 100%, grow your own cotton and make your own clothes, live in a mud shack, with dirt paths (because bitumen has animal fats in it! So yes people, even walking down the road isn't really "ethical") using no electricity and ride a horse bare back to get from A to B (& again some people don't see this a "ethical" but I personally do... no reins, no saddle) then you are not going to be 100% ethical.

If I was out and the ONLY option was to have a salad from KFC - then yes I would eat it. When I have options - hell no!

And I know this isn't my place but geez people - don't argue like this. If anyone wanders across Unleashed and reads this, do you think they are going to join and help us help the animals? Grow up. Act your ages, not your shoe sizes.

jack VIC • Posts: 1463

64 13 Nov 2009

Zachory said:

jack said:

Grace! said:

So if you buy a salad from KFC, that's okay?

no its not
i run an anti KFC campign
I try to buy ethically when possible but im a vegan.

hey jack... you are a silly head
grace is right. the world does need to change, consumerism is rampant and not in a good way

excuse me???? maybe you read my post wrong
i said where possible i buy ethically but as you would be aware it not alays is.
Like the many other people here we all get to know each other and have nice conversations because we all care about animals .
I donate to make poverty history etc but i choose to focus my activism for animals.
While human rights is extrememly important i myself feel more connected to animals. more animals are abused internationally than humans!
I think you must be a little silly in the head to say things like that to pedople you dont know

Vegetation NSW • Posts: 349

65 13 Nov 2009

Grace! said:

ckimana said:

emjjj said:

hmm...this is a fantastic discussion here, and to be honest, i'm not quite sure which side of the fence i'm on!

i think for starters it needs to be said that vegetarianism/veganism is not a competition to see who can prove to be the most cruelty free. we're all gonna have a bunch of different ideas about what's cruel and what's not when it comes down to the nitty gritty (i.e. the honey debate or boycotting companies versus supporting their vegan products to ensure we can still eat!) but obviously we can all agree that slaughter and invasive animal testing is wrong. i think this is the key thing to remember; in that choosing not to eat meat or animal products, we are all invariably making ourselves examples of the vegetarian/vegan lifestyles for those that still eat meat. personally, i want my friends to see that being a vegetarian/vegan is not a major restriction on your life, and that in fact, in can be quite rewarding, both health-wise and (excuse the clich�) for your conscience.

having said that, i would never choose to buy anything from mcdonalds or kfc, simply because their staple menu is meat. there are plenty of other fast food joints out there that do not treat animals as disgustingly (or at least, we presume so, since there are probably some cases not as well documented as the two mentioned above) and that also serve a wider range of vegetarian/vegan options. companies like this can�t grow money on trees (despite the fact that the gluttonous behaviour of some of their figureheads suggests otherwise) and so they have to apportion their expenses in such a way that they maximise their revenue. if they see that vegan products are selling a hell of a lot faster than their animal-based products, they will be more inclined to cull production that involves animals in favour of the vegan products. i don�t know if it�s possible, but my ideal world would be one in which companies such as these shifted all production to vegan options, simply because there were so many people buying those products that it was useless for them to continue producing anything else.

i think what i'm trying to say, with all my excessive rambling, is that our lifestyle is all about sending a message, whether we mean to or not. choosing to purchase things from companies with a greater range of options for us, lets other companies know that we want products that don�t rely on any form of animal cruelty. eating like a normal person, instead of a fastidious nutcase, when with friends sends an equally important message to them that being a vegetarian/vegan is just as easy as continuing to eat meat.

Well said Emj! A debate is fine but personal attacks are not. Be sensitive. Obviously everyone here love animals so don't waste that energy on us! (And Bop luv ya! beaverhug

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Second!

times 3! As someone who suffers anxiety and whose life is currently completely falling apart from it, I know exactly what Bop was talking about when he said what he did.

- Kitty Freak - SA • Posts: 1071

66 13 Nov 2009

This is a very interesting topic..
I agree with quite a few people on here about making veganism look like a breeze, otherwise less will join the cause. I try my best to be ethical in most ways..i rather buy from op shops than other places and i try to avoid bad companies.

Unfortunately, i do buy coke..i do buy oreos. Its a treat for me..vegan treats can be very expensive and i cant afford otherwise most of the time.

When i have more money and a house i will gladly buy organic and ethically. But for the time being i cant do so much.

(by the way bop, that guy is just being rude. its ok :3 love

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Mikey NSW • Posts: 104

67 13 Nov 2009

Grace! said:

I am SICK of hearing people talking about how great oreos are. Vegimite. Chocolate.
People who are vegetarian or vegan who don't think about unethical brands. Nestle = child labour for Christ's sake. Are animals more important to you? I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being vegetarian or vegan (I am vegan myself), but you of all people should be aware of the ethical concerns raised when it comes to Kraft, Cadbury-schwepps, Coke, Colgate-palmolive, Uncle Toby's... etcetera!
Just being a vegetarian or vegan doesn't mean that you're living a cruelty-free lifestyle. Yes, you're doing the animals a favour, but don't ruin all your hard work by buying into commercial, unhealthy, unethical products!
Pay attention! Shop locally! If you don't do your research you're just as bad as any omnivore...

What about medication? How many vegetarians or vegans would give their life rather than be treated with a drug that was tested on animals or contained animal ingredients? Food isn't the only ethical concern.

For example, if you had a life threatening condition such as meningococcal, how would you shop locally for a cure and avoid antibiotics?

Compostkitty NSW • Posts: 780

68 13 Nov 2009

not only food but clothing and everything else.
unless you buy clothing from fair trade places or op shops you are also putting money towards child slavery sweat shops and unfair working conditions around the world.
i dont think people should be attacking people over ethics no everyone has the same ethics
its a hard topic to argue over whats right or wrong and im sure everyone does what they feel is right to them to help out by giving to charities that help world hunger and everything else.
human rights are alot more recognised then animal rights as human like to eat and wear animals so unfortunalty will be second best just because some people chose to focus more on animal rights doesn't mean they dont care about human rights.
so unless you no that where your money is spent doesn't go towards a major company that isnt "ethical" i dont think throwing judgements around is going to help the matter.

until fair trade is made main stream, only a small amount of foods clothing house wears will be in our stores. and its not always affordable but im confident that if there were 2 chocolate bars side by side for the same price one was a well known brad and the other stated it was fair trade alot of people would go the fair trade.