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but my point was that if your friends arn't that smart then do you really think that telling them a baby cow dies for you to drink milk is going to sound right to them... They would think your the silly one lol I'm not saying it isn't a good way or anything what I'm saying is merely my own observations and opinion but your opinion sparked a question for me so I thought I'd ask... Because I have found that turning the question onto them asking why they do it is a way to open their curiosity also because no matter what silly come back they come up with all that you need to reply with is 'well you've obviously done your homework' (slight sarcasm) which will make them feel like 1, there missing out on the discussion 2, that they are not very educated which most omnis that generally cut you off don't like to look silly so by turning them into the discussion by lack of intelligence will make them wish to do their homework so they can 'beat' (totally not a competition in my eyes but most omnis see it as so) you next time the discussion comes up... Which we all know they won't be able to 'beat' you lol this particular scenario is actually a great one it really does make them question them selves and it usually makes them realise that they have been going to extraordinary lengths to attempt to justify their actions... Most come back saying oh my I shouldn't have been so rude and dismissive to all those vegans (especially you because your their friend) when I had no idea...