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A point of view from the meat industry

The meat industry wants us to be divided

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Vincent Berraud Vincent Berraud VIC Posts: 120
1 1 Mar 2015
I   have always said that the dichotomy "abolitionism" vs "welfarism" is   bogus and counter-productive. Those self titled "abolitionist" purists,   those 5th column vegans who seem to spend most of their time attacking   other animalist organisations and refuse to accept diversity within the   movement are only beneficial to the meat industry.

Everyone   is welcome to care about animals. Some strategies might seem more   effective but a variety of strategies can go a long way as long as we're   united on common goals.
(This  is an article by Dan Murphy, a veteran food-industry journalist and  commentator published on a cattle/meat industry website.)

http://www.cattlenetwork.com/news/meat-matter-great-debate

The way the meat industry views the «welfarists»:

«Because no one involved in livestock production meatpacking or processing has any illusions about the goals, strategies or tactics of HSUS. They are veggies in drag, charlatans pretending to be mainstream lobbyists interested only in making animal husbandry more humane, when in fact they are dedicated to the full vegetarian agenda that demonizes livestock production, condemns meat-eating and pretends that global utopia is only a vegan lifestyle away.»

This will be interesting to quote to those who assert that "welfarists" are beneficial to the meat industry and welcomed by it.
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Vincent Berraud Vincent Berraud VIC Posts: 120
2 1 Mar 2015
My article about it: http://tinyurl.com/seeusdivided
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reddapanda reddapanda ACT Posts: 381
3 1 Mar 2015
Hi Vincent,

A website I learned of from a previous post of yours was this one, from Matt Ball - wondered what people think of this recent article of his?

http://www.mattball.org/2015/02/animals-not-arguments.html

pillowfight
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Vincent Berraud Vincent Berraud VIC Posts: 120
4 3 Mar 2015
Interesting, although I thought his article seemed to go in too many directions and was disappointed that it ended up being all about veganism, not about the animals.
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Vincent Berraud Vincent Berraud VIC Posts: 120
5 3 Mar 2015
I mean, clearly he has the animals in mind but then it still seems to be about veganism. As if veganism is more important than helping animals. I just don't get that.
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reddapanda reddapanda ACT Posts: 381
6 6 Mar 2015
I just read this by Paulo Freire and wondered what you make of it

"No leftist party can remain faithful to its democratic dream if it falls into the temptation of rallying cries, slogans, prescriptions, indoctrination, and the untouchable power of leaderships. Such temptations inhibit the development of tolerance, in the absence of which democracy is not viable.
No leftist party can remain faithful to its democratic dream if it falls into the temptation of seeing itself as possessing a truth outside of which there is no salvation...
An authentic progressive party must not become sectarian. For that would represent a move away from its normal radical position. Radicalness is tolerant, sectarianism is blind and antidemocratic."
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Vincent Berraud Vincent Berraud VIC Posts: 120
7 9 Mar 2015
I think it's excellent. I disagree about the slogans, rallying cries and leadership as these are all useful, beneficial and necessary. Everything else seems spot on to me.
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reddapanda reddapanda ACT Posts: 381
8 10 Mar 2015
Hi Vincent,

Yes, I do not mind the extremes of this issue potentially fighting each other in the background - so long as the middle way is a reasonable balance and strong, a blend seems good to me. I personally think yes, that the dichotimisation of welfarism versus abolitionism is only part of what is going on. While some in the abolitionist camp might conceive that they are "fighting off" the welfarists, I don't think even most are (from what I've seen anyway).

Seems many fall in the middle (including me, and you by the sound of things), between and in-blending welfarist and abolitionist perspectives. Therefore I personally think your reading/representation of this welfarism versus abolitionism maybe seems at times overstated, as is the view of some others. (I don't check out the same facebook walls as you do though!)

Anyway, I'm just checking out this patch of animal advocacy, and this is just my present take.

Cheers
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Vincent Berraud Vincent Berraud VIC Posts: 120
9 11 Mar 2015
It just occurred to me that perhaps a problem is that we who criticise Francione and the intolerant, dogmatic and judgemental "vegan abolitionist" so called "approach" have had so many very negative experiences with Franciobots and have been so horrified by many things Francione has said or done that we may at times forget that most of the people who might say that they agree with Francione or embrace the "vegan abolitionist" approach don't actually agree with the slandering and don't agree with everything the "vegan abolitionists" say or do.
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Vincent Berraud Vincent Berraud VIC Posts: 120
10 11 Mar 2015
I would be happy to encourage and help out a vegan abolitionist approach if only it did not mean systematically slandering and attacking every other Animal Rights organisations.
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