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ckimana ckimana NSW Posts: 2545
11 3 Jun 2009
april-san said:
Just wondering, are there people out there that are against animal anaethesia, but are still meat eaters? That would be interesting, that they would find a difference between humane anaethesia and the cruel factory farm practices, and are against the former but not the latter. I doubt any of you guys are like that, but have you heard of any people like that?
I know plenty of clients who are against pet euthanasia and still eat meat! Probably most of them!!! They don't make the connection (it can be hard when meat products are presented "nicely" and don't resemble an animal) and most probably don't even know how a farm animal is tortured and killed. Also,ppl don't have the same bonding with farm animals so it's easier for them to turn their back.
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Denise Denise QLD Posts: 17
12 3 Jun 2009
If people would rather buy a puppy then adopt a dog;
then that means that there would be hundreds of unwanted dogs.
If theır are HUNDREDS of unwanted dogs then ıt ıs worth shıppıng them across the world because ın a year they could save thousands of anımal lıves; and thats just ın Australıa.
And ıt doesnt neccesarıly mean that the dog wıll be put ın a anımal shelter ın a tıny cage for the rest of theır lıfe.
Those dogs could be put to use. For example there are many socıtıes across the world whıch put unwanted dogs to good use. They can be traıned to help blınd people; used for border securıty at the aırport; they could be used at nursıng homes; securıty at large hotels or goverment buıldıngs.
Theır are several dıffernet optıons and as more socıtıes to save anımals develop the optıons dıffer and get wıder and wıder. Also just to poınt out most of the traınıng shelters have larger cages and provıde more comfortable spaces for the anımals.

And the swıne flu does have some form or relatıon to pig as thıs artıcle explaın that the flu fırst spread ın a farmıng factory:
http://www.hsus.org/farm/news/ournews/swine_flu_virus_origin_1998_042909.html
Read the paragraph rıght to the pıcture of the man wıth the glasses.
It explaıns the pıg-human relatıon.
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_Matt _Matt VIC Posts: 1567
13 4 Jun 2009
Denise said:
If people would rather buy a puppy then adopt a dog;
then that means that there would be hundreds of unwanted dogs.
If theır are HUNDREDS of unwanted dogs then ıt ıs worth shıppıng them across the world because ın a year they could save thousands of anımal lıves; and thats just ın Australıa.
And ıt doesnt neccesarıly mean that the dog wıll be put ın a anımal shelter ın a tıny cage for the rest of theır lıfe.
Those dogs could be put to use. For example there are many socıtıes across the world whıch put unwanted dogs to good use. They can be traıned to help blınd people; used for border securıty at the aırport; they could be used at nursıng homes; securıty at large hotels or goverment buıldıngs.
Theır are several dıffernet optıons and as more socıtıes to save anımals develop the optıons dıffer and get wıder and wıder. Also just to poınt out most of the traınıng shelters have larger cages and provıde more comfortable spaces for the anımals.

And the swıne flu does have some form or relatıon to pig as thıs artıcle explaın that the flu fırst spread ın a farmıng factory:
http://www.hsus.org/farm/news/ournews/swine_flu_virus_origin_1998_042909.html
Read the paragraph rıght to the pıcture of the man wıth the glasses.
It explaıns the pıg-human relatıon.
It would cost millions of dollars to ship dogs overseas (shipping, quarantine transport etc). Who is going to pay for this if organizations such as the RSPCA battle as it is just to provide food for their animals?

Also, even if they are shipped, there are still not enough shelters for all the homeless animals. In America alone around 8 million dogs and cats are killed due to homelessness. What shelter do you know of that has space for 8 million animals and funds to care for them. Now add all the other homeless animals from Asia, Africa, Australia, Europe and South America. 8,000,000 is now atleast 50,000,000. There are not 50 million unoccupied kennels in the world. Now factor in the meals needed for each animal; 50,000,000 x 2 (meals a day) x 365 days of the year x 12 for the average lifespan of an animal.438,000,000,00 meals just for one generation of homeless animals. Each meal will cost AT LEAST $2 each. that's $876,000,000,000 a generation.

That's one hell of a donation.

Find someone willing to donate that much JUST for the food, not including vet bills, kennels, toys, beds and all the pooper-scoopers and I will support the no-kill movement.

P.S
The article you give is based on words such as "apparently" and "reportedly;" it's not fact. The World Health Organization, to date, has stated that there is "no human-animal link." It is the reason why Egypt was criticized for killing their entire pig population.

P.S.S
The maths was done at 1:36am so I would double check it. tongue
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ckimana ckimana NSW Posts: 2545
14 4 Jun 2009
Good post Matt! I was trying to find some data, but I'm hopeless at Googling  confused
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The Almighty Heatherzilla The Almighty Heatherzilla VIC Posts: 70
15 5 Jun 2009
Much as I wish it wasn't necessary to euthanise animals in shelters it is a necessary evil since there just isn't the space or funds to care for every homeless animal. And I definitely agree that pet shops should not be able to sell animals since they contribute greatly to the problem. So many people buy a pet on impulse without thinking it through at all and end up dumping them in a shelter when they realize that pets require a lot of work, love, time and money and they just can't be bothered/can't afford it.
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Shirley Shirley NSW Posts: 108
16 7 Jun 2009
i believe that instead of putting them down they should clean them up and give them to pet shops. why cant they?
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_Matt _Matt VIC Posts: 1567
17 8 Jun 2009
Shirley said:
i believe that instead of putting them down they should clean them up and give them to pet shops. why cant they?
cause of the consumer. if there was a sudden surge in people adopting fully grown animals from tomorrow onwards, pet shops would encourage people to surrender dogs to them.

but the majority of people these days want a puppy, so they go to a pet shop where puppies are sold.

though i know puppies can be VERY cute, i don't think a new puppy compares to adopting an older dog, knowing that it will live out the rest of its days in a home surrounded by people who love him/her for the first time in its long life. seeing how much an older dog appreciates sleeping on your bed, relaxing next to you on the couch, going for the odd trip to the beach and having a best friend for the first time is really, really great to see.

it warms your heart knowing you can have such a big difference on another life.
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Jamison Jamison VIC Posts: 271
18 12 Jun 2009
RaV3N said:
There is a donkey shelter in Gaza  thumb
My cousin owns 'donkey retreat' which has (i think) 80 donkeys currently. It's part of 'donky shelter inc.' Which is a pretty freaking awesome group. basically they take in abused and unwanted donkeys and 'retire' them. It's so cute to watch them kick up thistles and eat the roots, or to strip trees of leaves (theres this one tree that they can't ever get over, and if you put them anywhere near the tree, they will break down fences to get to it.)

Anyone interested in donating/sponsering a donkey, you can call 58590976. (not my number, its a business number, so its not breaking any rules *hoping*). No, I'm not promoting the company in any way, just that Jack 1, Jack 2, Jack 3, Jack 4, and the 130 or so donkeys in care of donkey shelter love you too happy and they like to eat lots of moneys worth of carrots, banannas, and liquorice (yes, unknown fact: donkeys LOVE licorice).

Anyways. as it stands, I am AGAINST euthenasia of perfectly adoptable dogs, if there is an alternative (eg. selling to unsuspecting pet shops *evil laugh*) Nah. Euthenasia is a necessary, but unnecessary evil, in that euthenasia should not be necessary, but is.

It is sad, but true, that some animals just aren't loved. And, if you ask me, I'd rather them die with a group of loving people around them, instead of off in a ditch with no food, or being shot at by farmers. There is a necessary price to be paid to save the lives of animals, and its GREAT that the fact that PETA, The PEOPLE for the ETHICAL treatment of animals, have to euthanise. It's not great that they have to do it, but it's great that it caught the media's attention. 'Humane society enlists mass euthenasia' realy opens people eyes to the fact that animals ARE being euthanised. That perhaps something IS going on, and will encourage them to go to the PETA site, find the link that is about why they euthanise (I warn, don't go hunting for it unless you want to see very graphic images of dogs that have been hacked apart or hurt terribly) and decide that they don't want to be the cause of one poor dog's life, and adopt an animal from a shelter. Euthenasia is a necessary evil. Temporarily anyway happy
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ckimana ckimana NSW Posts: 2545
19 12 Jun 2009
Jamison said:
It is sad, but true, that some animals just aren't loved. And, if you ask me, I'd rather them die with a group of loving people around them, instead of off in a ditch with no food, or being shot at by farmers.
Yep, well said.

I'm still disgusted with the way ppl abandon pets. We've had so many kittens/cats dumped at our door. Some are in boxes with no air vents and unsealable boxes  where they can escape onto a main road. Others have found them in garbage bins. It's absolutely appalling!
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