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is Dermaveen soap free wash free from animal derivatives?

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martin5 martin5 SA Posts: 6
1 26 Feb 2017
Hi, I am a vegetarian transitioning to a vegan. I recently brought Dermaveen soap free wash as recommended by a dermatologist for a skin condition called folliculitis. I read it is 'cruelty-free' but is that the same as no animal derivatives? I think the glycerin may come from an animal source, despite the fact the derm said it was suitable for me... does anyone know if it does?  Any suggestions for body washes? I have previously tried Thankyou body washes and Sukin and although they were good, they didn't really treat the folliculitis. I tried washes with benzol peroxide.. Proactiv, Benzac etc but heard they can interfere in the healing process. Maybe a body wash with tea tree oil would help?
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
2 26 Feb 2017
Dermaveen is one of many brands made by iNova Pharmaceuticals (which is owned by Valeant Pharmaceuticals International )
http://inovapharma.com/about/our-brands/

According to http://guide.ethical.org.au/company/?company=4547

"This company (Valeant Pharmaceuticals International ) does not appear on the cruelty free lists of PETA, Leaping Bunny or CCF, nor do they appear on PETA's list of companies who do test on animals. However this company sells products in China, where cosmetics products must, by law, be tested on animals. Plus, subsidiary Bausch & Lomb is on PETA's list of companies that do test on animals."

according to https://www.choice.com.au/health-and-body/beauty-and-personal-care/skin-care-and-cosmetics/articles/animal-testing-labelling

"A CHOICE shopper also went to supermarkets, department stores and chemists and purchased 32 products with labels making claims about animal testing. The claims on the products varied, from the seemingly unequivocal "products and ingredients not tested on animals", "never tested on animals", and "cruelty-free vegan", to the slightly more ambiguous "not tested on animals" and "cruelty-free", and the potentially questionable "against animal testing", "finished product not tested on animals" and "tested on us".

Of the 32 products, nine carried a logo that signified certification by a third party. When we checked to confirm the origins of the logos and the credentials of the companies using them, we found mixed results.

DermaVeen, Invisible Zinc and Natural Instinct products all carried a logo that was not from a third-party certifier, although featured similar imagery. We could not confirm the origins of the Grace Cole Co and Olivella logos. An additional product made by Australian company Original Source carried a logo that did not appear to be official.

Only the Nature's Organics, Trishave and Innoxa products were certified by a third party, Choose Cruelty Free, as not tested on animals."

Here is PETA's list for Australia of companies that don't test and are vegan -
http://www.mediapeta.com/PETA/PDF/cruelty-free-companies-AustraliaPETA.pdf

Have asked CCF for help - waiting reply. Have you got an ingridients list from the product?
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
3 26 Feb 2017
DermaVeen Soap Free Wash PH5.5 at  
https://www.lindenparkpharmacy.com.au/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=491& and http://www.cosdna.com/eng/cosmetic_35ba216410.html has a list of ingidients.

sodium laureth sulfate has problems see - http://davidsuzuki.org/issues/health/science/toxics/chemicals-in-your-cosmetics---sodium-laureth-sulfate/

glycerol/glycerin and Glycol stearate/ethylene glycol monostearate occur in animal and vegetable fats so we need to know where they comes from.
(see http://www.makingcosmetics.com/Glycerin_p_160.html  for example as a soy based glycerin)

Diazolidinyl Urea - according to http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient.php?ingred06=701923# "This ingredient may be derived from animals. From PETA's Caring Consumer: Excreted from urine and other bodily fluids." It can also be synthetically manufactured.
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
4 27 Feb 2017
Valeant Pharmaceuticals International from Canada don't mind animal testing - just going from their website
see http://www.valeant.com/search-results/search/testing?search=animal testing

This just in! ... from Valeant Australia,
"Thank you for your enquiry regarding DermaVeen® Daily Nourish Soap Free Wash.
None of the products in the Dermaveen range contain any ingredients of animal origin; all ingredients are either synthetic or plant-based.

I hope the information provided has been useful. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us."

Kind regards,

Trudi Pickering

Regulatory & Medical Affairs Assistant

Valeant Australia

Level 10, 12 Help Street, Chatswood, NSW 2067 Australia
Tel: 1800 251 150 |  Fax: +61 2 8918 6415  |  Email:

Nothing yet from CCF though ... stay tuned!
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martin5 martin5 SA Posts: 6
5 28 Feb 2017
Hey thanks for your help. The ingredients are;  

purified water, cocamidopropyl betaine, glycerol, sodium laureth sulfate, ethylene glycol monostearate, colloidal oatmeal, sodium pca, benzyl alcohol, sodium citrate, sodium chloride, diazolidinylurea, disodium edetate, citric acid, benzaldehyde.

I did receive an email from the company saying this...

Thank you for contacting us regarding our Dermaveen range of products.

Dermaveen is vegan friendly. All the products in the DermaVeen range contain ingredients that are either plant based or synthetic.

We can confirm that iNova/Valeant do not conduct, nor are we involved in animal testing for any of our product ranges. However, we do not have any written agreements with our suppliers regarding animal testing nor do we have any measures in place to ensure that the ingredients we source from them are not tested on animals. Please note that all of the ingredients used in our Dermaveen range are well-known established ingredients that would not usually warrant testing on animals.

I hope the information provided has been helpful. If you have further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

I was just confused as I googled whether it did contain animal ingredients and someone on Yahoo answers said it did and was tested on animals. While the bottle did say it was not tested on animals, it did not say it was vegan. Thursday Plantation Tea Tree Body wash and some of the Original Source range I saw had the vegan logo with the sunflower.
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martin5 martin5 SA Posts: 6
6 28 Feb 2017
I only just saw your last responses after I sent that previous message, you got pretty much the same answer as I got. Sure let me know.
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
7 28 Feb 2017
Yeah, seems to be vegan but I'm 99% certain they animal test.

Dermaveen/iNova might not, but Valeant and other subsidaries seem to do (or sub-contract out for the testing). The odd "not tested on animals" logo is a give away. If they wanted to, it's easy to contact Peta or CCF to get certified. Also the Valeant website has the results of testing on animals on their website.

I'll post the reply from CCF when I get it.
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
8 1 Mar 2017
A subsidary of Valeant Pharmaceuticals called Bausch + Lomb (http://www.bausch.com/ )
is on Peta's Companies that do test on animals list
see -
http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/PDF/companiesdotest.pdf
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robert99 robert99 Sweden Posts: 1360
9 1 Mar 2017
Got a reply from CCF,
"We don’t consider Dermaveen cruelty-free because of the owner’s involvement in pharmaceuticals, so they are not eligible for CCF Accreditation."

So find something else, if you can!
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