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Battle against wild dogs (dingoes) how appalling?!

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sporadic sporadic NSW Posts: 21
41 4 Jan 2011
carinaforkeeps said:
Fish scales aren't uncommon in nail polish making it unsuitable for vegans. A lot of cosmetic companies also test on animals. However as cosmetic companies evolve, they are realising the demand toward cruelty free products sad.
Organic? Yeah, with all the formaldehydes, phthalates and solvents and nitrocellulose...

Oh, were you being serious?...
Not being serious, just answering to the "friends" comment from Akasha213.. Going by her profile picture, that looks like nail polish on those claws or are they fake nails?

http://www.unleashed.org.au/documents/rendered-images/communityavatarsavatar16941jpg___90.90_0__0.jpg

I might be a "friend" of mitch because I share similar sentiments, but atleast I'm not on a vegan site with a profile picture displaying nail polish or fake nails! Oh dear ashamed.
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carinaforkeeps carinaforkeeps NSW Posts: 484
42 4 Jan 2011
sporadic said:
carinaforkeeps said:
Fish scales aren't uncommon in nail polish making it unsuitable for vegans. A lot of cosmetic companies also test on animals. However as cosmetic companies evolve, they are realising the demand toward cruelty free products sad.
Organic? Yeah, with all the formaldehydes, phthalates and solvents and nitrocellulose...

Oh, were you being serious?...
Not being serious, just answering to the "friends" comment from Akasha213.. Going by her profile picture, that looks like nail polish on those claws or are they fake nails?

http://www.unleashed.org.au/documents/rendered-images/communityavatarsavatar16941jpg___90.90_0__0.jpg

I might be a "friend" of mitch because I share similar sentiments, but atleast I'm not on a vegan site with a profile picture displaying nail polish or fake nails! Oh dear ashamed.
you changed my happy to a sad.
now THAT is the work of a true bully!  funny
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...2 ...2 WA Posts: 2307
43 4 Jan 2011
sporadic said:
I might be a "friend" of mitch because I share similar sentiments, but atleast I'm not on a vegan site with a profile picture displaying nail polish or fake nails! Oh dear ashamed.
This is not actually a "vegan" sight. This is an animal rights site. While the vast majority of us are vegan, there are also many vegetarians, pescetarians, people interested in vegetarian or veganism and even compassionate meat eaters.
Not every site member chooses to avoid nail polish.
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carinaforkeeps carinaforkeeps NSW Posts: 484
44 4 Jan 2011
Valkyrie Uruz said:
Not every site member chooses to avoid nail polish.
and there ARE ethical nail polishes out there!
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...2 ...2 WA Posts: 2307
45 4 Jan 2011
carinaforkeeps said:
Valkyrie Uruz said:
Not every site member chooses to avoid nail polish.
and there ARE ethical nail polishes out there!
That too. tongue
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sporadic sporadic NSW Posts: 21
46 4 Jan 2011
Valkyrie Uruz said:
I'm not entirely certain what you're trying to say here.
Ah, get over it. They kill "wild" dogs. They're responding how they think they should, just like you respond how you do.

Valkyrie Uruz said:
Yes, I am aware of that notion. By not acknowledging its presence I am simply refusing to allow it to affect me.
You too are on the Internet, engaged in a debate. This must mean that you also live solely in the Internet and have no real life. rolleyes
Again on philosophy, it did affect you by the fact you had to say that you dont (oops, the apostrophe nazi might get me!) accept it..

Valkyrie Uruz said:
How did that in any way negate my point? The fact that a farmer's occupation causes great suffering does not mean that he or she is essentially an evil man. It means he or she  has been raised with the notion that causing this suffering is justified, and he or she is most likely numbed to it.
Exactly that. Some people are this and others that. Your whole diatribe in that paragraph was about a good man and a bad man. What you just said is exactly the same.. and your point is people are different?

Valkyrie Uruz said:
I will admit that calling him a brat was a mistake, however I hardly believe that in the scope of insults, "brat" would be the one to lean itself towards verbal abuse.
So you're suggesting that we should relocate or cull any animal species that comes into contact with humans? I hardly think that is necessary. The bushland property I live on is full of animals, yet it is not necessary for me to cull or relocate them. I can see no situation in which culling is necessary. If a species is out of control, there are other methods of controlling it: starting with desexing, as one example.
And I suppose tht you at a BBQ would spray any insect that twitched in your general direction with poison, would you? I wonder which is more traumatising?
A mistake? How quaint.

Justify all you want. You were just highlight the numbing affect that people endure.. it all started with calling someone a brat then you progress to other unsavoury terms.. who knows where it will end.

AT BBQ's we try to capture flys and include them into the salads. More protein!

Haha. Limited chemicals and toxins used in my house. SHOCK! Not too keen of the thought of a fly hyperventilating for 60 seconds before it dies from lack of air. If I could kill it instantly, I would but I cant, without ruining the food, so it lives to annoy us OR we burn increase our carbon footprint and turn a fan on. Does that make it better 'cause we dont kill the fly?

Valkyrie Uruz said:
Nice demeaning touch with the "tut-tut" by the way.
I know. Derision is a method or arguing.

Valkyrie Uruz said:
Dingoes may not be native, but they've been here for thousands of years. Longer than livestock or English colonists..
Valkyrie Uruz said:
If you go on to read the rest of my point, you'll understand that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that from a biological perspective, these animals have been here for long enough to have established themselves in the ecosystem. They no longer disrupt it.
I agree with your comment about dingoes being here. That has happened and will happen. Animals adapt and migrate and continental drift and changing sea levels etc etc but alas, they do disrupt it. True dingoes don't predate livestock to the extent that "wild" dogs do. Its the "wild" dogs that are the problem. Don't think the article is completely correct in its scientific referencing.

Everyone wishes it wasn't the case. Managing "wild" dogs is a major pain. Go speak with any NPWS ranger.

Valkyrie Uruz said:
Certainly it is impossible for me to live a "truly green" life, however I do not believe that means I ought to give up on everything. It simply means that I ought to work as hard as I possibly can to be as eco-friendly as I possibly can.

Your final attempt at wit failed when you forgot the apostrophe in "that's". I'm not providing solutions because I acknowledge that I am in no way perfect and I do not hold the answers to the universe. I am simply saying that it would be advisable to work together in order to come up with a better solution.
BLAH BLAH. Everyone is doing the best they can and we are all different.

Yes you should provide a solution if you're saying that something is wrong. Just like me saying what I said about your lifestyle and beliefs. I don't know (or want to) you and I bet you dont appreciate me saying youre not doing your best. Same with these farmers.

Theyre doing as best as they can. Remember as older people they come from different thinking and a different world.

In regards to wit, read through the post and tell me how many punctuations beside apostrophes are missing. Oh and capitalisation as well. Lame call VU.

Anyway, just laugh. We're all ranting.
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sporadic sporadic NSW Posts: 21
47 4 Jan 2011
carinaforkeeps said:
you changed my happy to a sad.
now THAT is the work of a true bully!  funny
I am almost ashamed
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sporadic sporadic NSW Posts: 21
48 4 Jan 2011
Valkyrie Uruz said:
This is not actually a "vegan" sight. This is an animal rights site. While the vast majority of us are vegan, there are also many vegetarians, pescetarians, people interested in vegetarian or veganism and even compassionate meat eaters.
Well I am a compassionate (to some things) meat eater and I guess you understand the difference between other people too.

Just because I am in favour of culling and managing animals populations doesn't mean there is a lack of concern for animal welfare.

Livestock are not wild and undergo different processes during their demise. Simple chemical differences that lead to a variety of reactions in their physical response and reaction.

A lion hunting a kangaroo is fair play. A dingo hunting a hog deer is fair play. They are all truly wild in their make-up and match-up regardless of where they are actually located.

Cows and sheep are not wild and have been domesticated. "Wild" dogs possess rather unsavoury instincts and behaviours that are a result of their human-influenced instincts that have been altered over thousands of years mixing with their wild instinct to hunt. Matching them with domestic livestock is not natural.

When was the last time you saw a labrador or german shepherd wanting to hunt? They don't within their normal domesticated lives and depend solely on humans.
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MITCH308 MITCH308 NSW Posts: 40
49 4 Jan 2011
Hey Valkyrie- thanks for that, I actually enjoyed reading your debate. Thanks for attempting a legitimate debate, rather than just calling me 'stoopid' for having an opinion. But here's the thing, you're just debating. Attacking my spelling (I'm trying to do this on my phone) and whether something is in inverted commas is just that: quick debating points. You didn't actually answer arguments. Let me clear this up- I'm an animal welfare advocate myself. I stop on the side of the road to help injured wildlife, call wires when a cockatoo hits my window and argue passionately for common sense solutions, but this is the thing- there is no common sense in your, or others', arguments. Wild dogs, whatever their heritage, are violent, indiscriminate and dangerous. They are not pure bred dingoes, they are dogs, and have interbred so much they barely resemble any breed known. It wouldn't matter if they were part elephant, if they're killing 65 sheep a night for no reason apart from blood thirsty violence, they have to be stopped. You say we should stop, think apply logic... Well you can say that but can you suggest a method of dealing with them? Leaving them be is not going to work, and the current solution, apart from shooting them, is to set poison so they die a long and painful death through internal bleeding. I just can't believe that anyone would defend these feral pests at the expense of native wildlife. It's nice that you know farmers but have you ever seen a pack of dogs harass, maul, chase and kill an entire mob of wallabies? I have. It's upsetting- and anyone arguing with me must have rose coloured glasses on, thinking that the dogs are the victims in all this- they're not. The victims are the native wildlife which is already hunted out of the area I work in. You're lucky to see a kangaroo these days; and it's the dogs fault, not mine. The other victims are the farmers in the area. Yes, I understand that cattle are stock, not pets, but how would it make you feel, as an animals rights advocate, to see a calf mauled halfway through birth? Its face ripped off halfway out of its mother? Mad? Sad? Farmers aren't any different. They care about their cattle for more reasons than just the financial ones. No one likes to see that. And how would you feel when you heard the bleeding heart greenies were worried about the dogs' rights? All I'm saying, just like you, is that common sense needs to be applied here. And I don't see a lot in any of the answers here- just a lot of passionate but ultimately ill informed whining. 
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50 4 Jan 2011
sporadic said:
Ah, get over it. They kill "wild" dogs. They're responding how they think they should, just like you respond how you do.
sporadic said:
A mistake? How quaint.
Mistakes are quaint? Is human error above you, is it?
sporadic said:
AT BBQ's we try to capture flys and include them into the salads. More protein!
Charming.
sporadic said:
Haha. Limited chemicals and toxins used in my house. SHOCK! Not too keen of the thought of a fly hyperventilating for 60 seconds before it dies from lack of air. If I could kill it instantly, I would but I cant, without ruining the food, so it lives to annoy us OR we burn increase our carbon footprint and turn a fan on. Does that make it better 'cause we dont kill the fly?
Not killing the fly would be the more ethical choice, if that's what you're getting at.
sporadic said:
I know. Derision is a method or arguing.
Sorry, you stopped making sense here. I'm going to assume there is a typo.
sporadic said:
BLAH BLAH. Everyone is doing the best they can and we are all different.

Yes you should provide a solution if you're saying that something is wrong. Just like me saying what I said about your lifestyle and beliefs. I don't know (or want to) you and I bet you dont appreciate me saying youre not doing your best. Same with these farmers.

Theyre doing as best as they can. Remember as older people they come from different thinking and a different world.
Don't assume everyone is doing the best they can. If you'll excuse a moment for being nothing short of crass, there are those out there who simply do not give a flying f**k.
Certainly, you implied that my lifestyle was flawed but I fail to see where you provided a BETTER alternative. There is more I could be doing, and I am aware of it. Every day I learn a bit more about what I can do, and I do it.
Don't compare my lifestyle to a farmer killing off wild dogs when I'm doing quite the opposite to the farmer. Of course the livestock oughtn't be slaughtered by wild dogs (completely ignoring my belief that they oughtn't be slaughtered by humankind either), killing off these animals is still not the best solution.
Many older people believe the cane should still be used on students. Does that mean that an older teacher should get away with caning a misbehaving student?

sporadic said:
In regards to wit, read through the post and tell me how many punctuations beside apostrophes are missing. Oh and capitalisation as well. Lame call VU.

Anyway, just laugh. We're all ranting.
All you did there was strengthen my point. You're making continual punctuation errors while trying to belittle me. It doesn't really work in your favour to attempt to appear the less ignorant of the two and use incorrect English.
I think you'll find that on this site, this topic is more than "just a laugh". We tend to take animal rights and welfare somewhat seriously.
Kindly take your trolling elsewhere.
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