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Battle against wild dogs (dingoes) how appalling?!

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Mean people wear fur Mean people wear fur QLD Posts: 1087
81 6 Jan 2011
Timothy said:
i have never laughed soo hard in my life...this guy is a tool, i bet the two profiles are the same people...typical troll...people think they can say anything when they are behind a computer. I know alot about farm animals but im seriously not going to waste my time happy
I know, right? I find it hilarious that this guy keeps going way after everyones had a laugh at him.  funny
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Tanya M Tanya M VIC Posts: 741
82 6 Jan 2011
sporadic said:
if everything was done in an ideal way in regards to animal welfare, so farming was no longer practiced, would you be still against other humans harvesting, as the top predator on the food chain, wild meat?
Yes
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carinaforkeeps carinaforkeeps NSW Posts: 484
83 6 Jan 2011
Tanya M said:
sporadic said:
if everything was done in an ideal way in regards to animal welfare, so farming was no longer practiced, would you be still against other humans harvesting, as the top predator on the food chain, wild meat?
Yes
Me too.
BUT in being against it, I am not being ignorant and denying that it will happen.
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Akasha213 Akasha213 VIC Posts: 227
84 6 Jan 2011
sporadic said:
With a grain of salt.. dont you think its strange that the most positive part of the paragraph is about the good, wild (feral) dogs do? They remove native animals and spread disease. If you also read into the articles, wild dogs are also the way to which rabies can be spread throughout Australia. Does anyone here know what rabid dogs can do?
I know I said I was finished commenting before but I couldnt let this one pass and I havent noticed anyone else pick up on this yet...

How can they possibly spread a disease which we dont have in this country??! We have pretty excellent quarantie and unless some very evil, smart and vigilant person has smuggled a sick animal into the country and let it loose in the last few days, there is NO rabies in Australia!

I cant get over the fact that your claiming everyone on this site is ignorant and has no idea about anything to do with wild dogs. Well unless you've just articulated badly, you seem to be showing your ignorance now.
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xMISSMONSTERx xMISSMONSTERx WA Posts: 2582
85 6 Jan 2011
sporadic said:
if everything was done in an ideal way in regards to animal welfare, so farming was no longer practiced, would you be still against other humans harvesting, as the top predator on the food chain, wild meat?
I think there's a bit of a difference between killing to feed yourself, and holocaust-type mass murder.
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sporadic sporadic NSW Posts: 21
86 6 Jan 2011
Akasha213 said:
I know I said I was finished commenting before but I couldnt let this one pass and I havent noticed anyone else pick up on this yet...

How can they possibly spread a disease which we dont have in this country??! We have pretty excellent quarantie and unless some very evil, smart and vigilant person has smuggled a sick animal into the country and let it loose in the last few days, there is NO rabies in Australia!

I cant get over the fact that your claiming everyone on this site is ignorant and has no idea about anything to do with wild dogs. Well unless you've just articulated badly, you seem to be showing your ignorance now.
Youre excellence at quoting is admirable. Show me where I claimed everyone on this site is ignorant?

For starters, there is actually a related virus in Australia called lyssavirus. Not much of a threat in its current form, but seeing as it was only discovered in the late 90's, there is talk about possible mutations. Oh, and two people have died from that, and admittedly, with proper methods, there have been no further deaths. Though, if you have a good understanding of biology, youll remember "swine (thats pig) flu" didnt just affect swine.. people contracted it too.

Secondly, rabies, according to media and online reports, is in Bali after spreading there recently from Flores. If it moves into Papua New Guinea, there is a good chance of it spreading into the Torres Strait. Hopefully, you're as good on geography as you are with late comebacks.

So, all is needed is the set of correct circumstances from a tourist to or from Bali entering Australia and rabies could be here. The other way is through animals that migrate across the small distance between Papua and Australia or through illegal incursion into Australian territory by ocean going fishermen (strangely enough, they bring dogs along for company AND for a food source (yummo)).

Perhaps, I am ignorant after all and perhaps all the government agencies that list this hypothetical situation as a concern relating to wild dogs, are ignorant too.

Fact remains, wild dogs arent dingoes and they need proper management. Sometimes this means they need to be culled. Not nice, but neither are alot of things in life (such as non-organic nail polish).
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sporadic sporadic NSW Posts: 21
87 6 Jan 2011
xMISSMONSTERx said:
I think there's a bit of a difference between killing to feed yourself, and holocaust-type mass murder.
Without quoting the whole context, that wasnt a dig. Its a simple question.

If youre against the consumption of meat, even if its from methods that ensure the highest level of welfare towards the animal, whats there to discuss as there is no common ground on that issue..

Which is fair enough and personal choice that I accept but completely separate from the need to manage populations of wild animals.
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Akasha213 Akasha213 VIC Posts: 227
88 7 Jan 2011
sporadic said:
Youre excellence at quoting is admirable. Show me where I claimed everyone on this site is ignorant?

For starters, there is actually a related virus in Australia called lyssavirus. Not much of a threat in its current form, but seeing as it was only discovered in the late 90's, there is talk about possible mutations. Oh, and two people have died from that, and admittedly, with proper methods, there have been no further deaths. Though, if you have a good understanding of biology, youll remember "swine (thats pig) flu" didnt just affect swine.. people contracted it too.

Secondly, rabies, according to media and online reports, is in Bali after spreading there recently from Flores. If it moves into Papua New Guinea, there is a good chance of it spreading into the Torres Strait. Hopefully, you're as good on geography as you are with late comebacks.

So, all is needed is the set of correct circumstances from a tourist to or from Bali entering Australia and rabies could be here. The other way is through animals that migrate across the small distance between Papua and Australia or through illegal incursion into Australian territory by ocean going fishermen (strangely enough, they bring dogs along for company AND for a food source (yummo)).

Perhaps, I am ignorant after all and perhaps all the government agencies that list this hypothetical situation as a concern relating to wild dogs, are ignorant too.

Fact remains, wild dogs arent dingoes and they need proper management. Sometimes this means they need to be culled. Not nice, but neither are alot of things in life (such as non-organic nail polish).
Ok, definitely the last time I'm participating in your boredom relief so you can reply or not but dont expect to hear back from me again.

You have mentioned people here having no idea many times over this thread. Guess your memory's not that good. If your interested go back and look at your previous posts but I'm not going to bother going through them all for you.

Yes I am very experienced in geography and quarantine matters, and am reasonably knowledgable about biology.

Swine flu is a very different type of disease to rabies and speads in a very different way. Not really comparable! Rabies is not easily spread between humans. A human coming here with rabies is most likely not to spread it. And we're an island it's not easy for rabies to get here through other animals without going through quarantine.
These fishermen you speak of generally dont come onto our shores and let dogs go. And if they're bringing them to eat, they're not going to be rabid! Common sense!!
And you didnt mention lyssavirus previously. Only rabies which is what I responded to!

And I didnt respond to any of your comments about culling. I cant be bothered as I dont agree with it, and I dont agree with many of the things you said so why would I waste my time.

I responded to one point you made which was incorrect! That rabies can be spread when it cant be if it's not there in the first place.

And just as a last point, my nail polish is vegan, as is my make up, hair products and body products,  since your so interested in my personal appearance and body.

Your apparent fear of people who look slightly different, and fact that your not prepared to identify yourself, can only make me assume you must look like a toothless bogan and your interested in obtaining some of the products we use to help yourself out?

We can supply you with many places where you can purchase ethical, cruelty free body products if you need them, but I'm sure you can just dig up some old threads.
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sporadic sporadic NSW Posts: 21
89 7 Jan 2011
Akasha213 said:
Ok, definitely the last time I'm participating in your boredom relief so you can reply or not but dont expect to hear back from me again.
Are you sure this is the last time.. or will there be a third incursion?

"..Thanks for the times that you've given me,
The memories are all in my mind.
And now that we've come to the end of our rainbow
There's something I must say out loud.

You're once, twice, three times a (comeback) lady (but I dont love you, like the song continues on..).."

Thats a Lionel Ritchie song if you werent aware.

Akasha213 said:
You have mentioned people here having no idea many times over this thread. Guess your memory's not that good. If your interested go back and look at your previous posts but I'm not going to bother going through them all for you.
So from saying that I called everyone on this site ignorant, to saying that I mentioned people have no idea to..? Which one is it? Yeah, I implied people were unaware of a particular thing which is what a discussion is about.. Youll understand it one day.

You cant be bothered as youre relying on other people not fact checking and believing you on face value.. (not commenting further on this paragraph.. *smirk*)

Akasha213 said:
Swine flu is a very different type of disease to rabies and speads in a very different way.
Its not different in that they are both virus' and can both mutate. Sorry, but thats all I ever mentioned.

Akasha213 said:
Rabies is not easily spread between humans.
Except through saliva. Seeing as STDs are at an all time high, public health officials and government departments mention rabies. Again, sorry to point out the reality.

Akasha213 said:
And we're an island it's not easy for rabies to get here through other animals without going through quarantine.
Oh, of course as everyone goes through quarantine and customs and comes officially.. Heard of Christmas Island detention centre? Thats just for boat people. If you ever actually travel through Australia visit up North Queensland and the Territory and speak with people who deal with non quarantine matters..

For anyone who wants the links, heres an article from the ABC: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/18/2931175.htm

Akasha213 said:
These fishermen you speak of generally dont come onto our shores and let dogs go.
Of course not. As we know by domestic dogs activities in Australia, they never run away either. Oh wait.. whats a wild dog again?

Akasha213 said:
And if they're bringing them to eat, they're not going to be rabid!
Yes, as Im sure these type of people quarantine their dogs for the period of incubation of rabies before they take them on a fishing trip. Im sure they dont go fishing monthly (if not weekly)..

The first link listed in the search engine about rabies in dogs.. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1556&aid=347

"..3 to 8 weeks in dogs.. However, incubation periods as long as 6 months in dogs.."

Akasha213 said:
And you didnt mention lyssavirus previously. Only rabies which is what I responded to!
No I didnt. I highlighted lyssavirus as you said rabies wasnt in Australia. Well something closely related to the virus is here, and it was only recently detected (late 1990s) so to continue the myth that Australia will always be free of virus' of these natures is not correct..

I commented that wild dogs can spread rabies. Simple. Never did I once said it was present in Australia. Seeing though that it is of concern to government departments, that would obviously suggest that there is great possibility for it to one day appear on this continent..

Akasha213 said:
And I didnt respond to any of your comments about culling. I cant be bothered as I dont agree with it, and I dont agree with many of the things you said so why would I waste my time.
Good for you. Never said you had to.

Akasha213 said:
And just as a last point, my nail polish is vegan, as is my make up, hair products and body products,  since your so interested in my personal appearance and body.
Im not actually interested and thanks for letting me know your personal requirements. What do you tell on first dates, if thats what youre telling me? The initial comment on nail polish being organic/vegan was purely to get a reaction out of you.. seems it worked?

Akasha213 said:
Your apparent fear of people who look slightly different, and fact that your not prepared to identify yourself, can only make me assume you must look like a toothless bogan and your interested in obtaining some of the products we use to help yourself out?
There is no apparent fear? I never once commented on your looks. Your head actually appears quite symmetrical which is a good thing. There was a study where they took a computer animated image of a woman around the world to study "beauty" and they found that symmetry is indeed the true measurement of beauty amongst all peoples. Good for you, hey..

Akasha213 said:
We can supply you with many places where you can purchase ethical, cruelty free body products if you need them, but I'm sure you can just dig up some old threads.
Thanks for the concern, that was really nice of you, however I dont require much treatment or make-up as I am quite presentable the way nature made me, though if something is necessary my wife buys through Alythea. How surprising?
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...2 ...2 WA Posts: 2307
90 8 Jan 2011
This is becoming less and less about wild dogs and more and more about trolling.
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