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Bonbear Bonbear QLD Posts: 28
111 27 Jan 2011
Haha. Do I use bug spray? Or swat flys? I just think its so funny how you paint yourself as some kind of saintly person   funny Let me put it this way... I breed frogs in my backyard. I have tadpoles everywhere, because I breed gorgeous green tree frogs, graceful tree frogs etc. However, I don't condemn (JUDGE) people who believe frogs legs are a delicacy... I just feel great knowing I'm doing my part for them. What others do is their choice.
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Bonbear Bonbear QLD Posts: 28
112 27 Jan 2011
Good for you  happy You go girl!
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Dorit Dorit NSW Posts: 80
113 27 Jan 2011
Bonbear said:
No, I don't believe domestic animals are 'more important' than farm animals. I love pigs, cows etc. I just don't believe people who choose NOT to be ''vegos'' are lesser human beings. You guys who condemn people who aren't vegetarians... If you asked your grandparents or great grandparents about being vegetarian, they'd probably laugh. Because that is all people knew... Even now, country people who own farms care for and nurture their animals, but certainly aren't monsters for not being ''vegan''. I just think that's so judgmental.
I agree that is all people knew.
Thankfully now we know better & more about our anatomies, and our planet and our ethical conduct (we now teach our children to be socially responsible).
Once aware of the facts, however, it is hard to morally justify continuing the old, unwitting ways (I dont want to use the word ignorant, as it is NOT my intention to offend anyone).
What may concern all people, animal lovers or otherwise, is the meat industry's effect on our planet- harmful emissions & exponentially growing use of limited resources- contributing considerably more harm to our planet than all the planes, trains, cars- more than all the world's transport industry put together.
To continue to do something just because it is what we/our families have always done, when it is proven to be not in our best interest, & not aligned with our human ethics, is a view that seems not to take advantage of our developed human brain, so capable of thought, reasoning & moral judgement (isn't that actually the main reason people believe animals less capable of developed thought are ok for us to eat, in fact were created just for that purpose?).
Interesting that our capacity for thought is many peoples justification for eating/mistreating animals with lower-order thinking, yet we choose to ignore this capacity at our convenience. Meat does taste good & I know lots of people who have to not think about where their meat comes from, so they can eat it without feeling bad. Ignorance is bliss & many would rather continue to enjoy the taste & not know/focus on the process by which this arrives at their plate. They don't want to know, & as long as they don't know, or don't think about it, it makes it ok for them to eat it.
I think it's beyond argument that our digestive system & the human body functions most efficiently without meat protein. All nutrients are better absorbed in our body if from plant sources.... You only need to do a course/read a book on nutrition to find evidence, and, of course, many top athletes would not omit meat from their diet with the intention of achieving optimum health & performance. I'm sure they analyze their diets very carefully.
Anyway, just wanna say, check the facts, don't just do what your grandparents did because they did it (pardon the pun, but the expression "following like sheep" comes to mind...I'm sure it's not ok to eat us, even if we don't utilize our capacity for higher order, independent thought)

Janine Janine NSW Posts: 232
114 27 Jan 2011
Dorit said:
Bonbear said:
No, I don't believe domestic animals are 'more important' than farm animals. I love pigs, cows etc. I just don't believe people who choose NOT to be ''vegos'' are lesser human beings. You guys who condemn people who aren't vegetarians... If you asked your grandparents or great grandparents about being vegetarian, they'd probably laugh. Because that is all people knew... Even now, country people who own farms care for and nurture their animals, but certainly aren't monsters for not being ''vegan''. I just think that's so judgmental.
I agree that is all people knew.
Thankfully now we know better & more about our anatomies, and our planet and our ethical conduct (we now teach our children to be socially responsible).
Once aware of the facts, however, it is hard to morally justify continuing the old, unwitting ways (I dont want to use the word ignorant, as it is NOT my intention to offend anyone).
What may concern all people, animal lovers or otherwise, is the meat industry's effect on our planet- harmful emissions & exponentially growing use of limited resources- contributing considerably more harm to our planet than all the planes, trains, cars- more than all the world's transport industry put together.
To continue to do something just because it is what we/our families have always done, when it is proven to be not in our best interest, & not aligned with our human ethics, is a view that seems not to take advantage of our developed human brain, so capable of thought, reasoning & moral judgement (isn't that actually the main reason people believe animals less capable of developed thought are ok for us to eat, in fact were created just for that purpose?).
Interesting that our capacity for thought is many peoples justification for eating/mistreating animals with lower-order thinking, yet we choose to ignore this capacity at our convenience. Meat does taste good & I know lots of people who have to not think about where their meat comes from, so they can eat it without feeling bad. Ignorance is bliss & many would rather continue to enjoy the taste & not know/focus on the process by which this arrives at their plate. They don't want to know, & as long as they don't know, or don't think about it, it makes it ok for them to eat it.
I think it's beyond argument that our digestive system & the human body functions most efficiently without meat protein. All nutrients are better absorbed in our body if from plant sources.... You only need to do a course/read a book on nutrition to find evidence, and, of course, many top athletes would not omit meat from their diet with the intention of achieving optimum health & performance. I'm sure they analyze their diets very carefully.
Anyway, just wanna say, check the facts, don't just do what your grandparents did because they did it (pardon the pun, but the expression "following like sheep" comes to mind...I'm sure it's not ok to eat us, even if we don't utilize our capacity for higher order, independent thought)
nicely put
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ZoolNerd ZoolNerd NSW Posts: 1005
115 27 Jan 2011
Janine said:
Dorit said:
Bonbear said:
No, I don't believe domestic animals are 'more important' than farm animals. I love pigs, cows etc. I just don't believe people who choose NOT to be ''vegos'' are lesser human beings. You guys who condemn people who aren't vegetarians... If you asked your grandparents or great grandparents about being vegetarian, they'd probably laugh. Because that is all people knew... Even now, country people who own farms care for and nurture their animals, but certainly aren't monsters for not being ''vegan''. I just think that's so judgmental.
I agree that is all people knew.
Thankfully now we know better & more about our anatomies, and our planet and our ethical conduct (we now teach our children to be socially responsible).
Once aware of the facts, however, it is hard to morally justify continuing the old, unwitting ways (I dont want to use the word ignorant, as it is NOT my intention to offend anyone).
What may concern all people, animal lovers or otherwise, is the meat industry's effect on our planet- harmful emissions & exponentially growing use of limited resources- contributing considerably more harm to our planet than all the planes, trains, cars- more than all the world's transport industry put together.
To continue to do something just because it is what we/our families have always done, when it is proven to be not in our best interest, & not aligned with our human ethics, is a view that seems not to take advantage of our developed human brain, so capable of thought, reasoning & moral judgement (isn't that actually the main reason people believe animals less capable of developed thought are ok for us to eat, in fact were created just for that purpose?).
Interesting that our capacity for thought is many peoples justification for eating/mistreating animals with lower-order thinking, yet we choose to ignore this capacity at our convenience. Meat does taste good & I know lots of people who have to not think about where their meat comes from, so they can eat it without feeling bad. Ignorance is bliss & many would rather continue to enjoy the taste & not know/focus on the process by which this arrives at their plate. They don't want to know, & as long as they don't know, or don't think about it, it makes it ok for them to eat it.
I think it's beyond argument that our digestive system & the human body functions most efficiently without meat protein. All nutrients are better absorbed in our body if from plant sources.... You only need to do a course/read a book on nutrition to find evidence, and, of course, many top athletes would not omit meat from their diet with the intention of achieving optimum health & performance. I'm sure they analyze their diets very carefully.
Anyway, just wanna say, check the facts, don't just do what your grandparents did because they did it (pardon the pun, but the expression "following like sheep" comes to mind...I'm sure it's not ok to eat us, even if we don't utilize our capacity for higher order, independent thought)
nicely put
Couldnt of put it better myself happy
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..1 ..1 TAS Posts: 2265
116 27 Jan 2011
Bonbear said:
Haha, steady up love. You'll give yourself a nose bleed  laugh An ignorant hypocrite hey? Very interesting. No such thing as an animal lover who eats meat you reckon?? Wake up sweetheart. Go take a look at how life in the country works. Try that little speech on them and see how ya go    laugh .....
I'm assuming that was directed at me... You must really hate animals, don't you? Do you really think it's okay to kill another living creature, take its life against its will, to feast on its flesh? People like you really kill me, you make me so depressed, just knowing there are people out there who find it okay to forcefully take another creature's life is just such a tragedy. You laugh at what I say and say I need to wake up, but I'm not the one who needs to wake up, I've woken up, I'm a vegan at 16, you're the one who needs to wake up and realise that animals aren't here to serve us.

Bonbear Bonbear QLD Posts: 28
117 27 Jan 2011
Ah, your 16? That explains a lot.
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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
118 27 Jan 2011
Bonbear said:
Ah, your 16? That explains a lot.
*you're

You can't spell? That'd be right.

Generalisations are fun.

meh meh NSW Posts: 2674
119 27 Jan 2011
This back and forth of bitchiness is wearing me out, lol!

Just for the record... I'm a vegan. I use bug spray. I dislike it when people eat meat, mainly if it's someone I know and they are aware of the cruelty involved, but I can't really do much more than be annoyed, especially if I want to keep a friendship. I'm overweight - I am a vegan for the animals, not because I want to lose weight, nor am I a vegan because it's a 'fad'.

If Bonbear wants to eat meat then that's fine in my opinion, nothing I will say will stop that from happening and honestly, us trying to change that, calling Bonbear names or whatever just makes veg*ans look bad.

EDIT: If, while I was a meat-eater, someone said that I was ignorant or that I hated animals, then I would have been really defensive about it. I definitely wouldn't have had a light bulb go off and then suddenly stop eating meat. I don't respond well to criticism, so I probably would have done the opposite and ate more meat.
I loved my animals, even as a meat-eater. It's not like as soon as you become a veg*an you become an animal lover.
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Pinkhotstar Pinkhotstar QLD Posts: 163
120 27 Jan 2011
Maggie, I'm so um don't know if proud is the right word, cause I don't really know you and it make me think more of a parent or close friend saying it, but yeah I'll go with it and I'm envious that at such a young age you have the conviction to be vegan. I feel sick everyday when I think that it has taken me so long to realise how wrong, on so many levels, that not being vegan was. And I don't have the excuse of ignorance, well maybe an ignorance of exactly how bad it was, but I knew animals were dying so I could have and do what I wanted. Well done. The world needs more people like you. You ROCK girl!!!
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