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Clipping birds' wings?

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erin devine erin devine NSW Posts: 6
11 1 Dec 2010
xMISSMONSTERx said:
Would you prefer a bird with trimmed flight feathers, or a bloody fan mess all through one of your rooms due to negligence?
Wouldn't it be far more humane to just simply turn the fans off?
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xMISSMONSTERx xMISSMONSTERx WA Posts: 2582
12 1 Dec 2010
erin devine said:
xMISSMONSTERx said:
Would you prefer a bird with trimmed flight feathers, or a bloody fan mess all through one of your rooms due to negligence?
Wouldn't it be far more humane to just simply turn the fans off?
have you never heard the term 'accidents happen'
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ShadowDoubt ShadowDoubt QLD Posts: 753
13 1 Dec 2010
erin devine said:
xMISSMONSTERx said:
Would you prefer a bird with trimmed flight feathers, or a bloody fan mess all through one of your rooms due to negligence?
Wouldn't it be far more humane to just simply turn the fans off?
If a bird flew into a fan if it was off it could still move or injure him, the blades are sharp.
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Gabby Gabby Japan Posts: 118
15 2 Dec 2010
Genevieve12 said:
Berrie said:
I'm not a big fan of keeping birds as pets for that exact reason, but when it comes to keeping existing pets safe, I think a little bit of annoyance on the bird's behalf for 10 minutes it's worth it for their long term safety. Like getting a microchip for a dog, I guess. If my dad's galah got out and flew away, she'd probably die because she wouldn't know how to find food, or she'd get hit by a car. However, she's very tame, and isn't bothed by being fed sunflower or apple seeds while her wings are being clipped, so it doesn't make me feel too guilty.
Sorry, but I don't think that birds should be kept as pets or domesticated at all. There's nothing wrong with looking at wild birds fly around outside and eat nectar from trees. Clipping their wings is cruel, no matter if you feel guilty or not. People only clip birds' wings so they can't fly and it is only done for the human's convenience. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to clip bird's wings.
well we better start letting our cats and dogs run free...
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natalie5 natalie5 SA Posts: 1
16 13 Apr 2012
this comment actually irritates me, especially on an Animals Australia forum where you think that people would have a little bit more decency and understanding of animals than to think that clipping a birds wings is anything less than inhumane! I frequently watch the galahs and rainbows lorikeets zooming around like crazy out the front of my house every morning, doing what they do best - flying! I frequently go into my local pet store to buy my cat stuff and see these same species of birds (wings clipped) sitting on a perch looking miserable. How can we deny these creatures of their flight to serve OUR own purposes. A dog, or a cat (if provided with the right home) are still able to make pets AND carry out their natural behaviours. A bird (whether wings clipped or non clipped and in a cage) is NEVER able to be a pet and exhibit natural behaviors. They are either deprived of freedom through rotting in a cage, or denied of the ability to fly through having their wings clipped. All so humans can ENJOY having them as a pet....
As for the safety stuff....PLEASE!!!! this is ridiculous...what about dogs and cats that get hit by cars and so forth...what are we going to do? amputate their legs to ensure their own 'protection!'
On this forum I see all this stuff about animal rights and so forth, but let me tell you I would PREFER to be a beef cattle transported live to Asia and die a horrible death, but live a good quality life prior to my slaughter up north on a massive cattle station exhibiting my natural behavior, than to be a bird whose wings are clipped (and who is never slaughtered) but has to endure the misery of being someone's pet. It's not just about animal death and slaughter or suffering - it is about QUALITY OF LIFE - and no pet bird has this!!!
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
17 13 Apr 2012
natalie5 said:
this comment actually irritates me, especially on an Animals Australia forum where you think that people would have a little bit more decency and understanding of animals than to think that clipping a birds wings is anything less than inhumane! I frequently watch the galahs and rainbows lorikeets zooming around like crazy out the front of my house every morning, doing what they do best - flying! I frequently go into my local pet store to buy my cat stuff and see these same species of birds (wings clipped) sitting on a perch looking miserable. How can we deny these creatures of their flight to serve OUR own purposes. A dog, or a cat (if provided with the right home) are still able to make pets AND carry out their natural behaviours. A bird (whether wings clipped or non clipped and in a cage) is NEVER able to be a pet and exhibit natural behaviors. They are either deprived of freedom through rotting in a cage, or denied of the ability to fly through having their wings clipped. All so humans can ENJOY having them as a pet....
As for the safety stuff....PLEASE!!!! this is ridiculous...what about dogs and cats that get hit by cars and so forth...what are we going to do? amputate their legs to ensure their own 'protection!'
On this forum I see all this stuff about animal rights and so forth, but let me tell you I would PREFER to be a beef cattle transported live to Asia and die a horrible death, but live a good quality life prior to my slaughter up north on a massive cattle station exhibiting my natural behavior, than to be a bird whose wings are clipped (and who is never slaughtered) but has to endure the misery of being someone's pet. It's not just about animal death and slaughter or suffering - it is about QUALITY OF LIFE - and no pet bird has this!!!
you make an interesting point. I can tell you are very passionate about this topic, however this is not neccessarily a black and white situation.
A few years back, I rescued a galah who fell rather than flew for the first time and injured her leg and wing. I hand raised her, and let me tell you.. she was one content bird. The body language clearly showed how much she loved being my companion. Until she healed I had to keep her in a cage, with wings clipped. If I didn't do this, she would have ended up in one of our dogs unforgiving mouths or flat in the windscreen of a car because she didn't know how to fly properly. When she was old enough, whilst I was cleaning out her cage, she just took off. Clipped wing and all she just flew away. Didn't affect her in anyway. all this time I thought it was the clipped wing keeping her about... no.
She came back to visit a few weeks later calling out HELLO HELLO HELLO like she picked up off of us when she was younger.
Would you call that cruelty?
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OinkMoo OinkMoo NSW Posts: 1340
18 13 Apr 2012
I dont agree with keeping birds unless it is a rescue and reabilitate situation - We rescued a baby Magpie a few years back, he was feather-less when we got him, he was found down on the rivers edge. There was no magpies in sight. We took him home and got some meal worms and fed him, kept him warm, gave him a loving/warm home - P.p never once showed any signs of been depressed or upset.

P.p was toilet trained to go in his tray but he never once lived in a cage as we wanted him to live as natural as possible. When he was old enough he slept outside in Yoshi's ( dog ) bed with her.

When mating season came around P.p went off with some local magpies and every now and again we see him come around happy P.p even had a nest with his mate last year in our pine trees and they raised 2 beautiful babies.

Is that cruel?
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..1 ..1 TAS Posts: 2265
19 13 Apr 2012
I rescued a magpie chick about two or three months ago, too. Someone had clipped his wings with the intent to keep him as a pet, but not far enough, so he could still fly, but only short distances. The arm/bone part of the wing was bright red and looked very sore, the chick was also underweight and screamed his little lungs out at me for food. I took him to the wildlife sanctuary that I did an internship at, and they raised him. He would have started off being raised in a dog crate with other chicks, and when he healed he would have been moved into a larger aviary, then he would be released at the sanctuary, to live with the other wild magpies.
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Daft_Punk Daft_Punk SA Posts: 139
20 20 Apr 2012
The only situation where I would own a pet bird is if I adopt it from RSPCA or a similar organisation (where the bird cannot survive in the wild). And if I do I would keep them in an aviary where they have plenty of freedom happy
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