At the end of the day it's quite simple - if you're consuming animall products you are actively participating in their exploitation and abuse./
How do you feel about honey? I don't eat it, however I realise that honey bees are used to pollinate horticultural crops. So strictly some plant foods aren't vegan.
Should we start drawing up lists of non-vegan plant foods?
I don't think honey is vegan as many bees die. (i think this was in a recent thread ...). If there are ready alternatives and its not essential to your diet I think it should be avoided. I've been lucky enough to find so far there's nothing I can't do without - but even then I think I'd feel too guilty.
also im curious is a question for abolitionists since many vegans dont eat products that are put in front of them
i dont think its limited to just abolitionists(which i am)vegan means vegan therefore i dont think it is a responsible thing for the vegan reputation or the animals to just eat it
would you eat a steack if it was more convenient
ihope not
would you eat a steack if it was more convenient
ihope not
Well I think we all know that if it was only a matter of convenience, we'd all probably be eating steaks! But we all know there's more to it than that and despite inconveniences, we've each made a conscious decision not to eat animal products. But this question is not really about convenience or laziness, or how vigilant you can be bothered to be (see my post on the previous page). It's actually a bit of a complex issue and there are lots of thoughts on the topic -- all worth consideration.
Very interesting posts. I see where ppl are coming from but I have to disagree with the eating of dairy to make it seem easier/more accepting to the general public. I wouldn't eat meat, and I wouldn't eat dairy.
If you don't complain then a) they will serve it again without thinking twice (and this could be to someone who is lactose intolerant or vegan) or b) think "Well this vegan ate it so it's ok for others". We're all sick of restaurants not knowing what "vegan" is and this is just making it more complicated.
I have to disagree with the eating of dairy to make it seem easier/more accepting to the general public. I wouldn't eat meat, and I wouldn't eat dairy.
think we're all in consensus on that, but how do you feel about traces, and moreover, your reaction to them when in the immediate vicinity of others (especially non-vegans).
I have to disagree with the eating of dairy to make it seem easier/more accepting to the general public. I wouldn't eat meat, and I wouldn't eat dairy.
think we're all in consensus on that, but how do you feel about traces, and moreover, your reaction to them when in the immediate vicinity of others (especially non-vegans).
Starts to get very interesting here I think.
If my meal had one piece of cheese in it, I would quietly move it to the side of the plate and hide it under some pasta. Obviously, the meal was made with effort and somehow this piece fell in. I wouldn't mention it to the waiter or even the ppl I was dining with. But if more than one piece was there, I'd def say something!
I don't eat bread when dining so I don't have to worry about milk or emulsifiers. I don't drink wine or beer unless I know it's vegan so I'm safe with Extra Drys
Having said that I don't find it hard at all, because I don't eat at omni restaurants much anymore for this reason. I'd prefer to give my money to vegan restaurants anyday.
end of the day it's quite simple - if you're consuming animall products you are actively participating in their exploitation and abuse./
How do you feel about honey? I don't eat it, however I realise that honey bees are used to pollinate horticultural crops. So strictly some plant foods aren't vegan.
Should we start drawing up lists of non-vegan plant foods?
Oh come on Roy.
Nearly all vegetables are grown with blood & bone manure too..
There's a pretty obvious difference between that and choosing to eat a roll or something similar that has an animal product in it. Especially when we could so easily go without the roll or find one that is vegan.
I have to disagree with the eating of dairy to make it seem easier/more accepting to the general public. I wouldn't eat meat, and I wouldn't eat dairy.
think we're all in consensus on that, but how do you feel about traces, and moreover, your reaction to them when in the immediate vicinity of others (especially non-vegans).
Starts to get very interesting here I think.
Traces are different again. For example many plain chips are produced in the same factory as salt and vinegar flavoured and for that reason they have to state 'may contain traces'. As veganism is removing oneself from directly supporting animal exploitation I think it's still fair to eat the plain chips as the animal products are not an ingredient of them.
I have to disagree with the eating of dairy to make it seem easier/more accepting to the general public. I wouldn't eat meat, and I wouldn't eat dairy.
think we're all in consensus on that, but how do you feel about traces, and moreover, your reaction to them when in the immediate vicinity of others (especially non-vegans).
Starts to get very interesting here I think.
Traces are different again. For example many plain chips are produced in the same factory as salt and vinegar flavoured and for that reason they have to state 'may contain traces'. As veganism is removing oneself from directly supporting animal exploitation I think it's still fair to eat the plain chips as the animal products are not an ingredient of them.
nononono
I didn't mean the "may contain" ingredients. I meant emulsifiers and things - things that wouldn't be profitable if meat, dairy, egg etc were not consumed.
What I was getting at, basically, is there is fine line between staying as close to 100% vegan as possible and pushing others away from veganism by making it seem tricky.
I didn't mean the "may contain" ingredients. I meant emulsifiers and things - things that wouldn't be profitable if meat, dairy, egg etc were not consumed.
What I was getting at, basically, is there is fine line between staying as close to 100% vegan as possible and pushing others away from veganism by making it seem tricky.
Again, I haven't decided either way.
Ahhh I see.
Well to be honest most people are going to think giving up ice cream and butter and cheese and eggs and milkshakes and burgers etc is a pretty tricky thing to do, I don't think an emulsifier or two is going to push them over the edge.
