ALF

Not to try and intentionally stir the pot, but...
Do you think these people are more or less heroic that those that participate in openrescues?
I think it's one thing to put on a mask and participate in a rescue, essentially anonymously, and to go in not wearing a mask.

Obviously, it takes a certain strength of character to participate in either type of rescue - but, it also takes the right kind of circumstances.

Overall - ALF=yes!

i support them because i belong to an orgaisation that does them
i know many people who have done open rescues

I wouldn't really call either heroic. From what I've heard, if you get done doing an open rescue, not a great deal happens because the owner doesn't want any trouble for them.
Also at the end of the day, cops probably don't really care too much, it's too much paper work for them. But how I see it anyway, this is just a positive for those that like to regularly do open rescues.

As for ALF, it's pretty intense. If these guys get done, they'd do time for sure. I think that somewhere, you do indeed have to draw the line though.

I think that causing serious injuries to someone so that they almost die, is not acceptable. I can understand how some people get this mad though because they feel the pain so deeply they just lose control (like abused children etc - they're fighting back for the helpless as they were once helpless so it affects them on a very personal level).

I have been watching a few videos lately and in one, one of the testers gets mobbed. Sure, I guess he deserves it in a way, but doesn't this make the mobbers as bad as him @ the end of the day? I hate violence and it is not going to change anything. I kind of think, well, he'll be SUPER pissed off when he next goes to work, and guess who is going to cop all that anger??

I kind of find it amusing though, these morons walk in oneday to find their labs entirely trashed haha. I guess the gov etc sees ALF as "nuts", but really, it's the people doing the testing that are nuts, obviously! You'd have to be so cold hearted to carry out such experiments and not feel any compassion at all.

I guess you do what feels right for you at the end of the day though. But I must say, I reckon the adrenaline rush they'd experience would be like lotf's gravy!

Anyway, I've posted this particular vid for you to view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1TsfgAuFCs

Ohh yeh and to cover my backside....for a particular friend that may happen to read the above.......regardless of whether or not i find it acceptable/unacceptable to harm another human because of what they've done, I will always be your friend and be here for you  

I love the alf even though i dont agree with all their methods.

also read this there "conflict" lyrics to their song "this is the alf".




What does Direct Action Mean?

It means that you are no longer prepared to sit back and allow terrible,
cruel things to happen. The camerman in Ethiopia took direct action,
he filmed the worst disaster that has ever happened to human beings. He
realised it was too enormous a problem to handle himself - so he took the
films home in the hope other people would help. They did. Are you prepared
to sit back any longer? Direct action in animal rights means causing
economic damage to those who abuse and make profits from exploitation.
START!

It's possible to do things alone, slash tyres, glue up locks, butchers,
burger bars, the furriers, smash windows, bankrupt the lot. Throw paint over
shops and houses. Paint stripper works great on cars. Chewing gum sticks
well to fur coats. A seized engine just won't start, sand in the petrol tank
means that delivery's going nowhere. When the new death shop opens up make
sure you're the first person to be there. If the circus comes to town
remember what goes up must come down. Stop contributing to the abuse
yourself - don't eat meat, don't buy leather. Buy non-animal tested make up,
herbal soap and shampoo's better.

Try and form a group of people that you know that you can trust and plan
ambitious direct action, sometimes risky but a must. Only when you have
animal liberation will we obtain human freedom, when the last
vivisectionist's blade is snapped. It will be that one step nearer to peace.
Direct action in the animal movement is sussed and strong, and our final
goal is not far off.

Animal lovers, vandals, hooligans, cranks; recognise the labels? They say we
don't care about human beings. We say all sentient beings, animal or human
have the right to live, free from pain, torture and suffering. They say
because we are human and speak the same, we matter more. Is our pain and
suffering any greater or lesser than that of animals? Human v. animal rights
is as much a prejudice as black v. white or the nazis versus the jews an
affront to our freedom.

Vivisection is a violation of human beings, the same as it is for animals.
We have a chemical world built on a pile of drugs to thanks for their
experiments. Drugs are designed for profit, manufactured to suppress
symptoms. Human freedom, animal rights. It's one struggle, one fight.
When animal abuse is stopped then human abuse will soon stop also, an
attitude of mind. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".
Start by protecting the weak, the defenceless, animals, the sick, the
disabled. Compassion and emotion are our most important safety values.
If we lose them, then 'we lose' the vitality of life itself.
Emotional? Hooligans? Cranks?....

If these direct actions physically harm any living beings, they are not affiliated with the Animal Liberation Front. An ALF action would only be able to cause economic damage.

As for heroism...definitely the ALF are more heroic than someone who participates in an open rescue. While both are admirable, the ALF risk everything to save animals. They risk their freedom. And for that, they are truly heroic.

They're actually lesbian women.... jk jk lol. It's allmost IMPOSSIBLE! to find a decent man who CARES for animals, let alone a woman. lol. seooo.... lets go eat some facon and attract some meat eating-evil people and then stealth-activism them

ALF in it's own 'front' and the economic damage comes from us supporting facon, or fry's

Yes ... Love them!

"no human or animal has ever been killed or injured during an ALF action."

it's hard to gauge that though. I mean, someone can go in under the ALF name with ALF motives but then accidently kill someone. Once it happens, the ALF press office can then just say it was someone else... like the Animal Liberation Militia for example.