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Vegetarians/ Vegans that cook meat

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Contreras Contreras NSW Posts: 349
11 21 Jan 2011
devotchkadebones said:
Catyren said:
be really careful giving cats only raw meat, they can develop a calcium deficiency. we rescued a kitten and the only thing we could get him to eat was raw mince. we didn't realize how bad it was for him until he couldn't walk and was mewing in pain. his bones barely showed up on the x-ray. he got better after we gave him lots of calcium and lots of VIP treatment and he is now the most spoiled cat we've ever known. so yeah, just make sure your cats are getting plenty of calcium in their diet if they're eating mostly raw meat.
Their diet includes raw bones, so they're getting enough. Thank you for the tip, though, and it's something that people need to be aware of if they plan to do the same. My partner and I are very serious about our cat's diets, and we refrain from giving them commercial pet feed for that reason. My cats mean the world to me, so I am vigilant in making sure they're healthy. And they definitely are.

Yvan said:
I have a similar view to Maggie but including handling/buying, i will not and never will knowingly support any animal products cooked or not (if it was my pet it would either be vegan or a herbivore to begin with).
Are you saying you would never take care of an animal that consumed meat, even if it was a necessity? Or are you saying you believe all animals can be fed on a vegan diet?
Well i would not take care of an animal that had to be fed meat(i personally think cat's and dogs for instance can be vegan) and i don't think i'd ever be in a position that i had to take care of a meat-eating animal as a necessity considering how many animals are given away because people can't look after them.
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Contreras Contreras NSW Posts: 349
12 21 Jan 2011
Also if you ask some of the members on this forum they have vegan cats living fine and healthy but if i thought they couldn't be vegan i personally would just not have a cat it's hard to justify over 100's of animals to be factory killed for a cat that couldn't possibly kill them otherwise (cows etc) considering cats are domesticated animals neither is technically natural, their has been research into the nutritional amounts to make products like vegan-pet cat and dog food and from the feedback I've heard they have been successful and have the animals living as long or even longer because of their decrease of problems from the factory farmed animals(hormones, anti-bitotics, terrible feed etc). Once again of the top of my mind "BreadmanInAus" has vegan cats living find, ask him how he's going with them.

I personally am a bit peeved at vegans feeding animals meet because i personally have chickens and find it disgusting that poor little chickens and of course other animals will have to die for peoples pets, i really would like people to either not have cats or dogs or have them vegan because knowing they die because of vegans saddens me and even if someone was of that opinion their are plenty of fully natural herbivorous to save.

I think you should at least try phasing them onto a vegan diet and see how they go a few weeks Isn't going to do full time damage and plenty of others have found successes ask some of them for help.
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devotchkadebones devotchkadebones VIC Posts: 91
13 21 Jan 2011
Yvan said:
I think you should at least try phasing them onto a vegan diet and see how they go a few weeks Isn't going to do full time damage and plenty of others have found successes ask some of them for help.
I asked you for a clarification of one simple statement. I appreciate your opinion on the matter, but I have no interest in hearing what you think is appropriate for the cats that I have rescued. You do not know them, or their medical histories, and if you want to use, "I know someone on this board who has vegan cats," as justification, I can name at least five other people who have stated their beliefs on this subject in a manner than concurs with mine. I won't, but my point is that I am not the only person on this forum with a differing opinion.

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Yvan said:
Also if you ask some of the members on this forum they have vegan cats living fine and healthy but if i thought they couldn't be vegan i personally would just not have a cat it's hard to justify over 100's of animals to be factory killed for a cat that couldn't possibly kill them otherwise (cows etc) considering cats are domesticated animals neither is technically natural <snip>
If you had read what I previously wrote a page back at all thoroughly, you would have known that I don't feed my cats factory farmed animals. I also don't feed them cow. Therefore, these clearly aren't your only options, so using them as an argument is fallacious.

Furthermore, as I mentioned above, would you prefer my cats to be out on the street, as they were and would have been if they were not rescued by shelters before I adopted them? The ecological impact of cats roaming free and consuming food found in the streets is far more significant and negative than that of them being fed meat in my house.
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carinaforkeeps carinaforkeeps NSW Posts: 484
14 21 Jan 2011
Yvan said:
knowing they die because of vegans saddens me
This is extremely insulting.
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devotchkadebones devotchkadebones VIC Posts: 91
15 21 Jan 2011
carinaforkeeps said:
Yvan said:
knowing they die because of vegans saddens me
This is extremely insulting.
I've actually found a lot of things s/he's said insulting.

Edit: To make post gender-neutral; I've learned never to assume over the internet. :]
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carinaforkeeps carinaforkeeps NSW Posts: 484
16 21 Jan 2011
Yvan said:
Well i would not take care of an animal that had to be fed meat(i personally think cat's and dogs for instance can be vegan) and i don't think i'd ever be in a position that i had to take care of a meat-eating animal as a necessity considering how many animals are given away because people can't look after them.
I think refusing to care for an animal because it is a meat eater is less vegan than feeding a an animal meat.
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Aimee Aimee VIC Posts: 957
17 21 Jan 2011
To the OP- Why do you cook their meat anyway? Why not just feed it to them raw?

As for the whole *vegans looking down on other vegans for feeding their animals meat*, it's not really as simple as just deciding you want your dog or cat to be vegan and making the switch.
Firstly, the cost of vegan pet food is VERY HIGH and not widely available.
Secondly, an animal's diet isn't always the decision of one person. Many people live with families who would not approve of their animals being fed a vegan diet.
Thirdly, some cats cannot thrive on a vegan diet because they can't process the synthetic taurine (or something along those lines) so to try and keep a cat vegan also means a few trips to the vet to get his/her health looked into to make sure the diet is safe.

It is a huge commitment and no one deserves to be insulted for their circumstances.
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taylorpaige taylorpaige SA Posts: 109
18 21 Jan 2011
there seems to be a lot of tension in this discussion. so i'm just going to pop my opinion out there x)

so, i'm only 17 and still at school, so i live with my parents and my brother. they all eat meat and animal products. as do my 2 dogs, casper and dumbledore.
my dogs eat gross things like chicken necks and random bones from other poor animals, and i refuse to give it to them myself.
as a result, my other family members tend to feed the dogs because i can't handle it.
i love them to bits, don't get me wrong, but i can't stand to touch the meat.
i think it would be difficult for people to prepare vegan diets for pets, especially cats (considering they are natural predators) and so, i don't have any anger toward people who do feed their animals meat.
however, if i was out of home, in my own place i would be tempted to research a vegan diet for dogs, though i'm not sure if it would be suitable.
if not, i would buy a rabbit. tongue happy
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..1 ..1 TAS Posts: 2265
19 21 Jan 2011
carinaforkeeps said:
Yvan said:
knowing they die because of vegans saddens me
This is extremely insulting.
I agree, I'm 16, I can't afford to put my cats on vegan diets, does this mean I'm a bad person and I should give them up? I think I'd rather kill myself.
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taylorpaige taylorpaige SA Posts: 109
20 21 Jan 2011
Maggie said:
carinaforkeeps said:
Yvan said:
knowing they die because of vegans saddens me
This is extremely insulting.
I agree, I'm 16, I can't afford to put my cats on vegan diets, does this mean I'm a bad person and I should give them up? I think I'd rather kill myself.
agreed.
and p.s., i didn't like your post cause i want you to kill yourself or anything. x)
i promise. happy
i agree though, i'm 17, and i wouldn't be able to afford it, even with a job.
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