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Contreras Contreras NSW Posts: 349
71 29 Jan 2011
Sebastian said:
Maggie said:
Sebastian said:
In my opion red meat is an importnat part of our diet, it's not something we cna just get rid of.
I have NEVER eaten red meat in my life. NEVER. Not even I tiny bit. And I'm very healthy and very happy.
I suppose you eat tofu? I cant stand the stuff, nor can i stand many other meat supplements. red meat is part of mmy diet and I plan to keep it that way. I belive we can still be envirotmently sustanble and still eat red meat
Why do you presume tofu is a supplement? There doesn't need to be a supplement, the iron and protein levels can be found in plenty of leafy vegetables. Maybe you should look these things up before commenting.
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
72 29 Jan 2011
Maggie said:
Sebastian said:
They devolped the diease mixomatosis (spelling?) for rabbits. That is a trully horrible disease and i will not go onto  the deatails of it, but if you want to what it does just do a google search. Not pretty. Also rember that the rabbits can be alive for days in that state. Its the shooter that puts it out of it s misery.
My bunny died of the myxoma virus. It's not the shooter who puts it out of it's misery, it's the vet with euthanasia needle.
I'm very sorry to hear that, you would have seen that state it was in, not pretty. Im not a fan of the virus.

(I was saying in the wild shooter are the one that put it out of it's misery in the wild)
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
73 29 Jan 2011
Sebastian said:
wild child2 said:
Sebastian said:
as i siad I know it not perfect, I use my own eggs as much a possible, which are truly free range, but I cant all the time.  My chooks dont lay enough eggs, largly because they have been brought to such low number by FOXES. We also have cattle on our farm (hobby) which we use as little chemicals on as possble. We dont use nay fetilizer, jsut let the grass grow naturally.

Sorry for branding you as thinking that guide dogs were slave, it jsut that the thought did not come up to a huge amount of oppisiton.

I do my best for the enviroment, I know I could always do better. I also eat a lot of rabbit (I only though kill out if they are not edible) Killing foxes and keeping their number in check is alos soething I do that I think is important for the enviroment. I have seen the damage they cuase to native wildlife and livestock alike. they are truly horrbile creatures.
I agree they need to be dealt with Seb but we need to consider they are a living thinking creatures like us just trying to fill their tummies. I think we are advanced enough to think of a better way of reducing their numbers than heading into the bush with a gun.
Obviously hunting isn't controlling the problem too well as you are still losing chooks/livestock etc...
We had a fox come onto our property and take one of our chooks at night, we since fox proofed the pen (which they are only confined to at night) and we have not had a problem since. Still plenty of native birds around too happy
We made upgrade after we lost out second chook, but basil can be very cunning sometimes. We also find it hard to get foxes on our property, we seem to have much more succses on others.

If their are still plenty of native birds around, then why do we need more nationa parks tongue

Also, when you can fnd a better method for controlling foxes, then go to a scicentest about it.

They devolped the diease mixomatosis (spelling?) for rabbits. That is a trully horrible disease and i will not go onto  the deatails of it, but if you want to what it does just do a google search. Not pretty. Also rember that the rabbits can be alive for days in that state. Its the shooter that puts it out of it s misery.
It's not that the scientists don't have another more humane way, it's that the government does not want to assign money to the issue.

Of course we need more national parks, plenty of native birds is not enough and like you said we are still losing species because of introduced species stress and man caused loss of habitat and global warming
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
74 29 Jan 2011
Yvan said:
Sebastian said:
Maggie said:
Sebastian said:
In my opion red meat is an importnat part of our diet, it's not something we cna just get rid of.
I have NEVER eaten red meat in my life. NEVER. Not even I tiny bit. And I'm very healthy and very happy.
I suppose you eat tofu? I cant stand the stuff, nor can i stand many other meat supplements. red meat is part of mmy diet and I plan to keep it that way. I belive we can still be envirotmently sustanble and still eat red meat
Why do you presume tofu is a supplement? There doesn't need to be a supplement, the iron and protein levels can be found in plenty of leafy vegetables. Maybe you should look these things up before commenting.
are you tellig me that you only eat you average plants and abbosulutly no supplyments?

Supplments or no supplyments I still would woud not eat a vegan diet
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..1 ..1 TAS Posts: 2265
75 29 Jan 2011
Sebastian said:
Maggie said:
Sebastian said:
They devolped the diease mixomatosis (spelling?) for rabbits. That is a trully horrible disease and i will not go onto  the deatails of it, but if you want to what it does just do a google search. Not pretty. Also rember that the rabbits can be alive for days in that state. Its the shooter that puts it out of it s misery.
My bunny died of the myxoma virus. It's not the shooter who puts it out of it's misery, it's the vet with euthanasia needle.
I'm very sorry to hear that, you would have seen that state it was in, not pretty. Im not a fan of the virus.

(I was saying in the wild shooter are the one that put it out of it's misery in the wild)
You're right. It's not pretty. He was blind and his bones were sticking out all over the place. But due to the blindness these rabbits are extremely easy to catch, and extremely easy to get to a vet for a humane, painless death.
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- Kitty Freak - - Kitty Freak - SA Posts: 1071
76 29 Jan 2011
Sebastian said:
Yvan said:
Sebastian said:
Maggie said:
Sebastian said:
In my opion red meat is an importnat part of our diet, it's not something we cna just get rid of.
I have NEVER eaten red meat in my life. NEVER. Not even I tiny bit. And I'm very healthy and very happy.
I suppose you eat tofu? I cant stand the stuff, nor can i stand many other meat supplements. red meat is part of mmy diet and I plan to keep it that way. I belive we can still be envirotmently sustanble and still eat red meat
Why do you presume tofu is a supplement? There doesn't need to be a supplement, the iron and protein levels can be found in plenty of leafy vegetables. Maybe you should look these things up before commenting.
are you tellig me that you only eat you average plants and abbosulutly no supplyments?

Supplments or no supplyments I still would woud not eat a vegan diet
Good for you. That wasn't your point. You said it's an important part of a good diet, you were proven wrong.
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
77 29 Jan 2011
Sebastian said:
Yvan said:
Sebastian said:
Maggie said:
Sebastian said:
In my opion red meat is an importnat part of our diet, it's not something we cna just get rid of.
I have NEVER eaten red meat in my life. NEVER. Not even I tiny bit. And I'm very healthy and very happy.
I suppose you eat tofu? I cant stand the stuff, nor can i stand many other meat supplements. red meat is part of mmy diet and I plan to keep it that way. I belive we can still be envirotmently sustanble and still eat red meat
Why do you presume tofu is a supplement? There doesn't need to be a supplement, the iron and protein levels can be found in plenty of leafy vegetables. Maybe you should look these things up before commenting.
are you tellig me that you only eat you average plants and abbosulutly no supplyments?

Supplments or no supplyments I still would woud not eat a vegan diet
fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds, whole grains, legumes etc nom nom... happy
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..1 ..1 TAS Posts: 2265
78 29 Jan 2011
Sebastian said:
[are you tellig me that you only eat you average plants and abbosulutly no supplyments?

Supplments or no supplyments I still would woud not eat a vegan diet
Nope, no supplements. A vegan diet is healthy and easy. Some choose to take supplements to ensure that they are getting everything, but most vegans maintain a balanced diet, so we have nothing to worry about.

You'll probably find that you're in need of supplements more than we are.
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z1 z1 VIC Posts: 535
79 29 Jan 2011
Sebastian said:
Maggie said:
Sebastian said:
In my opion red meat is an importnat part of our diet, it's not something we cna just get rid of.
I have NEVER eaten red meat in my life. NEVER. Not even I tiny bit. And I'm very healthy and very happy.
I suppose you eat tofu? I cant stand the stuff, nor can i stand many other meat supplements. red meat is part of mmy diet and I plan to keep it that way. I belive we can still be envirotmently sustanble and still eat red meat
allot of people feel that way. Beef if probably the least cruel meat since it isn't factory farmed and one animal can feed many people.
I think the most environmental thing we can do is to stop increasing population.
I think the most achievable ethical thing we can do for animals is to stop factory chicken farming. Egg production first.
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Sebastian Sebastian VIC Posts: 137
80 29 Jan 2011
wild child2 said:
Sebastian said:
wild child2 said:
Sebastian said:
as i siad I know it not perfect, I use my own eggs as much a possible, which are truly free range, but I cant all the time.  My chooks dont lay enough eggs, largly because they have been brought to such low number by FOXES. We also have cattle on our farm (hobby) which we use as little chemicals on as possble. We dont use nay fetilizer, jsut let the grass grow naturally.

Sorry for branding you as thinking that guide dogs were slave, it jsut that the thought did not come up to a huge amount of oppisiton.

I do my best for the enviroment, I know I could always do better. I also eat a lot of rabbit (I only though kill out if they are not edible) Killing foxes and keeping their number in check is alos soething I do that I think is important for the enviroment. I have seen the damage they cuase to native wildlife and livestock alike. they are truly horrbile creatures.
I agree they need to be dealt with Seb but we need to consider they are a living thinking creatures like us just trying to fill their tummies. I think we are advanced enough to think of a better way of reducing their numbers than heading into the bush with a gun.
Obviously hunting isn't controlling the problem too well as you are still losing chooks/livestock etc...
We had a fox come onto our property and take one of our chooks at night, we since fox proofed the pen (which they are only confined to at night) and we have not had a problem since. Still plenty of native birds around too happy
We made upgrade after we lost out second chook, but basil can be very cunning sometimes. We also find it hard to get foxes on our property, we seem to have much more succses on others.

If their are still plenty of native birds around, then why do we need more nationa parks tongue

Also, when you can fnd a better method for controlling foxes, then go to a scicentest about it.

They devolped the diease mixomatosis (spelling?) for rabbits. That is a trully horrible disease and i will not go onto  the deatails of it, but if you want to what it does just do a google search. Not pretty. Also rember that the rabbits can be alive for days in that state. Its the shooter that puts it out of it s misery.
It's not that the scientists don't have another more humane way, it's that the government does not want to assign money to the issue.

Of course we need more national parks, plenty of native birds is not enough and like you said we are still losing species because of introduced species stress and man caused loss of habitat and global warming
happy
I dont htink their are any other more humane ways to controll rabbits (watched a programe on the abc, 'land watch' or something. any way they said that they were looking for new methods to controll rabbits.

some links would be nice
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