is a good reason tail docking was banned, if it's demmed cruel for dogs then it should be for all animals.
^^^^ ... personally i dont find tail docking wit rings a issue, and i dont want people on unleashed to think of me as a "troll" . but when i docked my lambs tail and balls he didnt even care . we put the rings on and he didnt move and i had him sitting on my lap dad out the ring on and he licked my hand and once the rings were on he waled off and started eating and he never once showed any signs of pain. plus did somw1 write some thing about we shouldnt sheer sheep? -sorry my internet is messing up - . but we need to sheer sheep, otherwise they can get heat stroke , or have a heart attack . and if they have to bee shorn u might as well use the wool . sorry just thought i would share
Yes but sadly the industry doesn't sheer them merely to keep them cool, they do it to make money and as Jesse stated earlier, when profit & animals mix, profit always wins above the animal's welfare. I don't know a whole lot about the industry so forgive me if I am misled but I certainly don't trust it to be fair to the sheep and I have heard shearers get paid per sheep they sheer so they tend to be a bit rough!
Not to mention the attrocities with 'ultra fine' wool which can be similiar to sow stalls for sheep!
is a good reason tail docking was banned, if it's demmed cruel for dogs then it should be for all animals.
^^^^ ... personally i dont find tail docking wit rings a issue, and i dont want people on unleashed to think of me as a "troll" . but when i docked my lambs tail and balls he didnt even care . we put the rings on and he didnt move and i had him sitting on my lap dad out the ring on and he licked my hand and once the rings were on he waled off and started eating and he never once showed any signs of pain. plus did somw1 write some thing about we shouldnt sheer sheep? -sorry my internet is messing up - . but we need to sheer sheep, otherwise they can get heat stroke , or have a heart attack . and if they have to bee shorn u might as well use the wool . sorry just thought i would share
Yes but sadly the industry doesn't sheer them merely to keep them cool, they do it to make money and as Jesse stated earlier, when profit & animals mix, profit always wins above the animal's welfare. I don't know a whole lot about the industry so forgive me if I am misled but I certainly don't trust it to be fair to the sheep and I have heard shearers get paid per sheep they sheer so they tend to be a bit rough!
I agree that when money is a motive, there may be ill-treatment of sheep, but when I was growing up we had only two sheep as pets, and we didn't plan on selling their wool or whatever. We wanted them to be comfortable, we made sure we had a professional to sheer them.
I just realised that I wrote 'sheered' earlier, sigh!
I don't agree with the ring idea - do unto others is my saying.
if it's not good enough for humans, it's not good enough for animals, just because they aren't showing signs of pain, doesn't mean they aren't in pain.
is a good reason tail docking was banned, if it's demmed cruel for dogs then it should be for all animals.
^^^^ ... personally i dont find tail docking wit rings a issue, and i dont want people on unleashed to think of me as a "troll" . but when i docked my lambs tail and balls he didnt even care . we put the rings on and he didnt move and i had him sitting on my lap dad out the ring on and he licked my hand and once the rings were on he waled off and started eating and he never once showed any signs of pain. plus did somw1 write some thing about we shouldnt sheer sheep? -sorry my internet is messing up - . but we need to sheer sheep, otherwise they can get heat stroke , or have a heart attack . and if they have to bee shorn u might as well use the wool . sorry just thought i would share
Yes but sadly the industry doesn't sheer them merely to keep them cool, they do it to make money and as Jesse stated earlier, when profit & animals mix, profit always wins above the animal's welfare. I don't know a whole lot about the industry so forgive me if I am misled but I certainly don't trust it to be fair to the sheep and I have heard shearers get paid per sheep they sheer so they tend to be a bit rough!
I agree that when money is a motive, there may be ill-treatment of sheep, but when I was growing up we had only two sheep as pets, and we didn't plan on selling their wool or whatever. We wanted them to be comfortable, we made sure we had a professional to sheer them.
I just realised that I wrote 'sheered' earlier, sigh!
Oh definitely I understand there are people out there that keep them as 'productive pets' as such but I don't buy wool products anymore, you never know how the sheep was treated that it came from.
is a good reason tail docking was banned, if it's demmed cruel for dogs then it should be for all animals.
^^^^ ... personally i dont find tail docking wit rings a issue, and i dont want people on unleashed to think of me as a "troll" . but when i docked my lambs tail and balls he didnt even care . we put the rings on and he didnt move and i had him sitting on my lap dad out the ring on and he licked my hand and once the rings were on he waled off and started eating and he never once showed any signs of pain. plus did somw1 write some thing about we shouldnt sheer sheep? -sorry my internet is messing up - . but we need to sheer sheep, otherwise they can get heat stroke , or have a heart attack . and if they have to bee shorn u might as well use the wool . sorry just thought i would share
Yes but sadly the industry doesn't sheer them merely to keep them cool, they do it to make money and as Jesse stated earlier, when profit & animals mix, profit always wins above the animal's welfare. I don't know a whole lot about the industry so forgive me if I am misled but I certainly don't trust it to be fair to the sheep and I have heard shearers get paid per sheep they sheer so they tend to be a bit rough!
I agree that when money is a motive, there may be ill-treatment of sheep, but when I was growing up we had only two sheep as pets, and we didn't plan on selling their wool or whatever. We wanted them to be comfortable, we made sure we had a professional to sheer them.
I just realised that I wrote 'sheered' earlier, sigh!
In context of Australia it probably would be required and if they are noticeably better then no harm done(in the case of pets). Lol you weren't the only one to use the word sheered.
is a good reason tail docking was banned, if it's demmed cruel for dogs then it should be for all animals.
^^^^ ... personally i dont find tail docking wit rings a issue, and i dont want people on unleashed to think of me as a "troll" . but when i docked my lambs tail and balls he didnt even care . we put the rings on and he didnt move and i had him sitting on my lap dad out the ring on and he licked my hand and once the rings were on he waled off and started eating and he never once showed any signs of pain. plus did somw1 write some thing about we shouldnt sheer sheep? -sorry my internet is messing up - . but we need to sheer sheep, otherwise they can get heat stroke , or have a heart attack . and if they have to bee shorn u might as well use the wool . sorry just thought i would share
Yes but sadly the industry doesn't sheer them merely to keep them cool, they do it to make money and as Jesse stated earlier, when profit & animals mix, profit always wins above the animal's welfare. I don't know a whole lot about the industry so forgive me if I am misled but I certainly don't trust it to be fair to the sheep and I have heard shearers get paid per sheep they sheer so they tend to be a bit rough!
I agree that when money is a motive, there may be ill-treatment of sheep, but when I was growing up we had only two sheep as pets, and we didn't plan on selling their wool or whatever. We wanted them to be comfortable, we made sure we had a professional to sheer them.
I just realised that I wrote 'sheered' earlier, sigh!
In context of Australia it probably would be required and if they are noticeably better then no harm done(in the case of pets). Lol you weren't the only one to use the word sheered.
I think I once used 'shaun' but attributed that to watching too much Shaun the Sheep, lol!
Would you go into a preschool and yell at everyone about how great child abduction is?
Would you buy a potato and proceed to write a blog about how much you hate soil?
Would you go to a methadone clinic and scream your lungs out about how much fun overdosing on heroine is?
Why do you feel the need to sign up to a forum just to tell everyone on it how wrong they are? I'm sure there are infinite places on the internet for people who love meat, so go to one of those and preach. Because I think I speak for everyone here when I say stop wasting our time. It borders on absolutely pathetic, and desperate, and garners you no admiration from anybody.
And one other thing. There are countless threads/topics/forums on this site EXPLAINING why it is that meat is so bad (in our opinions), so just read those for goodness sake.
From what I remember in biology wool actually gives them an insulation effect making them cooler in the heat and warmer in winter, which is why they use wool as insulation in homes.
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I believe it's the lanolin which protects their skin.
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Possibly but my point was they are naturally equipped for hot and cold climates and don't need to be sheered.
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So are dogs, but we still cut their fur for their own comfort in the harsh climate.
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Umm the dog-clipping issue is debatable for similar reasons. I looked after dogs For nearly 20 years (professionally... personally, i've looked after my own pets since i was 7). Some, including vets & groomers, believe dogs can keep themselves cooler with their coats & some believe the opposite.
"...but we need to sheer sheep, otherwise they can get h eat stroke..."
...wouldn't any animal left out in the sun on a hot day, clipped/shorn or not, suffer heat stroke?
oki so if a farmer had 200 lambs born 56% are male and 44% are female, what would be a good way to remove there tails and balls?
wool is a insulater? i beg to differ, i live on the mid north coast on NSW i have 3 wiltshire cross lambs 2 ewes and a weather, they dont loose there wool - the farmer said they would but they dont - . and it is super hot here and they were panting , and were suffering in the heat. it would of been cruel to not shear them . i couldnt stand seeing them like that so i sheared them and now they are cool dueing the hot summer days . if thats cruel im worried
oki so if a farmer had 200 lambs born 56% are male and 44% are female, what would be a good way to remove there tails and balls?
wool is a insulater? i beg to differ, i live on the mid north coast on NSW i have 3 wiltshire cross lambs 2 ewes and a weather, they dont loose there wool - the farmer said they would but they dont - . and it is super hot here and they were panting , and were suffering in the heat. it would of been cruel to not shear them . i couldnt stand seeing them like that so i sheared them and now they are cool dueing the hot summer days . if thats cruel im worried
Shanii I don't think anyone is implying what you do with your companion sheep is anything to compare to commercial industry whatsoever.
I don't think it's cruel that you shear them.
Farmers that have 200 sheep are going to put profit ahead of welfare and of course they will use rings/bands etc as it's the most economical option.
That's where we have a problem with these industries.
Obviously what would be FAIR to the animal is to treat it how you would wish to be treated need the procedure be deemed necessary for you which would include pain relief and a carefully carried out surgical procedure performed by a professional.
. and if they have to bee shorn u might as well use the wool . sorry just thought i would share 
