Would it be right if we just started putting bands around our male dogs testicles when they need desexing?
I suppose that's the thing, we are willing to fork out more money for our dogs because they are higher up on the 'animal social hierarchy'. Whereas for 200 sheep it's far easier and profitable to do a quick snip with those bands.
sorry just a comment b4 some1 was saying it was cruel to shear sheep and the rings are cruel, i honestly dont find the rings cruel, if i did i wouldnt use them . but every1 has there own opinion . i guess i havent ever once seen a animal in pain when useing the rings. or i havent seen any problems ( infection) when using them.
Personally, I am not overly sentimental about animals - and I know many other vegans who are similar. I don't feel a particular affinity for animals. Sure, they're pretty cool, but I don't have any pets. For me, the key is that suffering is a negative experience for anyone and the world would be a better place with less of it. Therefore I want to minimise the unnecessary suffering I cause to others (human or non-human).
Would you agree that minimising suffering is a worthy endeavour?
Really Jesse??? I always thought you were a real animal person but I can totally understand what you mean about the suffering
sorry just a comment b4 some1 was saying it was cruel to shear sheep
Nope we were just discussing if It was needed and decided that because sheep were evolved for colder environments even though their wool provides insulation, the dry climate of Australia might be too much and it was concluded that if they seemed hot most of the time and after gently clipping and noticing a great improvement then it should be ethically okay for the animals best interest.
sorry just a comment b4 some1 was saying it was cruel to shear sheep
Nope we were just discussing if It was needed and decided that because sheep were evolved for colder environments even though their wool provides insulation, the dry climate of Australia might be too much and it was concluded that if they seemed hot most of the time and after gently clipping and noticing a great improvement then it should be ethically okay for the animals best interest.
sorry just a comment b4 some1 was saying it was cruel to shear sheep
Nope we were just discussing if It was needed and decided that because sheep were evolved for colder environments even though their wool provides insulation, the dry climate of Australia might be too much and it was concluded that if they seemed hot most of the time and after gently clipping and noticing a great improvement then it should be ethically okay for the animals best interest.
maybe i missread or took it wrong
At the start it may of seemed like that but we came to that conclusion .
sorry just a comment b4 some1 was saying it was cruel to shear sheep
Nope we were just discussing if It was needed and decided that because sheep were evolved for colder environments even though their wool provides insulation, the dry climate of Australia might be too much and it was concluded that if they seemed hot most of the time and after gently clipping and noticing a great improvement then it should be ethically okay for the animals best interest.
maybe i missread or took it wrong
At the start it may of seemed like that but we came to that conclusion .
woopa my bad haha . my internet is stuffing up atm coz of winds , and it wouldnt load the whole page so i couldnt read every comment sorry
sorry just a comment b4 some1 was saying it was cruel to shear sheep
Nope we were just discussing if It was needed and decided that because sheep were evolved for colder environments even though their wool provides insulation, the dry climate of Australia might be too much and it was concluded that if they seemed hot most of the time and after gently clipping and noticing a great improvement then it should be ethically okay for the animals best interest.
maybe i missread or took it wrong
At the start it may of seemed like that but we came to that conclusion .
woopa my bad haha . my internet is stuffing up atm coz of winds , and it wouldnt load the whole page so i couldnt read every comment sorry
Really Jesse??? I always thought you were a real animal person but I can totally understand what you mean about the suffering
Don't get me wrong, I like animals. I suppose I wanted to emphasise the fact that my reasoning for being vegan had little to do with liking animals and more to do with disliking suffering. I think there's a common misconception that being veg*n is just for those who have a particular affinity for animals or don't want to see cute animals being killed. If people see it this way, then it's easy to dismiss as something for other people, but not necessary for me to do. But the point is, virtually everyone thinks suffering is bad, so it really shouldn't matter if they like animals or not - going veg still makes sense.
I'd say I have probably become more fond of animals and taken a greater interest in them as a result of going vegan. I think you see them in a different way, when you acknowledge they have their own interests and choose not to use them for your interests.
. i guess i havent ever once seen a animal in pain when useing the rings. or i havent seen any problems ( infection) when using them. 
but I can totally understand what you mean about the suffering 
so i couldnt read every comment sorry 
