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Boxed into a corner! Conversion to Soy..Bobby Calves a catalyst.

Conversion to Soy is great for animals but bad for the environment and me???

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Tanya M Tanya M VIC Posts: 741
21 7 Feb 2011
Remember also that you may need to give your tastebuds time to adjust. You may not like the taste at first, but your tastes do adjust and change. I'm sure if I tried cow's milk now it would taste completely foreign to me.
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pitterpatter pitterpatter QLD Posts: 376
22 7 Feb 2011
I'm going to say, don't drink cow's milk.  Too many animals die for that and it is bad for the environment.  Soy isn't bad for you but if you are worried, try the alternatives.

And look, backed up by links! :p

Not bad for you:
*there's no real difference in people who eat soy and those who don't

"Thus, studies in women have mostly been consistent with beneficial effects, although the magnitude of the effects is quite small and of uncertain significance. Only three intervention studies reported hormonal effects of soy isoflavones in men. These recent studies in men consuming soyfoods or supplements containing 40–70 mg/d of soy isoflavones showed few effects on plasma hormones or semen quality. These data do not support concerns about effects on reproductive hormones and semen quality."
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/3/570S.abstract

"A recent study of a cohort of 952 adults who had been fed either soy formula or cow-milk formula as infants found no significant differences between the groups, either males or females, with regard to height, weight, BMI, indices of pubertal maturation and numerous other reproductive outcomes, including infertility, and cancer."
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/20/suppl_5/354S

Not bad for the environment:
*more soy is used to feed animals that are then used by humans than by humans alone.

"Still, according to a 2003 report by the Swiss organization World Wide Fund for Nature, only thirteen per cent of soybean production is actually used directly for food. The two main destinations of industrial soy production are livestock feed and agrofuels, neither of which effectively tackles food-security issues in source countries."
http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/33980688/BIG-SOY

"But the UN figure is itself worth analysing. It says that more than a third of the 18% represents carbon dioxide emissions caused by deforestation in the Amazon. Nearly three-quarters of this deforestation, it claims, is caused by extensive beef farming, and the rest comes from soya growing for animal feed."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jan/30/climatechange.carbonemissions
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Milly Moondust Milly Moondust NSW Posts: 13
23 13 Feb 2011
Many thanks for the links you have posted for me...at least I can win that arguement now happy

My bf and I are looking into milk alternatives and I hope to gradually decrease..

Cheers happy clap
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Akasha213 Akasha213 VIC Posts: 227
24 13 Feb 2011
Yvan said:
Soy or tofu Isn't the same as meat, you should focus on a diet around plants and consume all within moderation, the only problem you can have with soy is bring allergic, the rest are rumors and large excess which can be bad given any food.
Just on the note of alergies.

I have a friend who ate a lot of soy at every meal and milks etc, when she went vegan and developed a soy alergy.

Now she cant even tolerate the tiniest amount of soy. She has oat milk at home but it's really hard for her going out and even getting a lot of things for home.
She's stopped being vegan now because she was having a hard time getting all of her nutrients and also getting lots of foods that dont contain even traces of soy.
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
25 15 Feb 2011
I'm usually OK with soy milk, but occasionally I've had awful, awful cramps after drinking it which is strange!

I believe it can be bad for women with thyroid problems?
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
26 15 Feb 2011
I just showed my friend the short video on bobby calves and he has now sworn to use only soy milk in his scrambled eggs, teas and cereal! clap
Must show him earthlings next wink
Soy milk is so much tastier than usual milk anyway, so I wouldn't complain if you have the choice! tongue mmmmmm now I'm craving a soymilk flatwhite from the local cafe now.... thanks alot!
Anywho, back to your dilemma. Think about the crops people make to feed animals, and animals that make byproducts for consumption eg dairy cows, it's much more destructive for the environment as any other soy crop!
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ok ok NSW Posts: 232
27 15 Feb 2011
Chewie said:
I'm usually OK with soy milk, but occasionally I've had awful, awful cramps after drinking it which is strange!

I believe it can be bad for women with thyroid problems?
Maybe its what you had it with? or the brand possibly? They put strange stuff in sometimes...
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wild child2 wild child2 QLD Posts: 2638
28 16 Feb 2011
I drink soy milk and eat alot of soy in general and it does worry me.

There are hormones in soy, they actually make bioidentical estrogen for menopausal women from the hormones in soy :/

Always opt for organic whole soy beans in the ingredients list over soy protein isolate which apparently is not so good for you!

Still gotta be better than cows milk though! Obviously there are going to be hormones in milk that is coming out of a pregnant cows breasts!

And if you're eating fish try and make sure it's local line caught and not an over exploited species. This may be a good guide - http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/how_we_work/conservation/marine/sustainable_fishing/sustainable_seafood/seafood_guides/
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Chewie Chewie NSW Posts: 521
29 16 Mar 2011
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

What do you all think of this website? It states it has a mass of scientific and independently researched evidence to say soy is linked to diseases, infertility, etc... I'm not buying it but I love soy too much.
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