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True Organic

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Emmy14 Emmy14 Antarctica Posts: 572
1 8 Feb 2011
Does anyone know if the milk company True Organic , the organic milk company, use bobby calves? Thank-youhappy
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Ellim Ellim United Kingdom Posts: 480
2 8 Feb 2011
From what I understand, ALL dairy had the bobby calf issue.  Milk still has to come from pregnancy, whether it's organic or not.

And, organic just means that they don't use chemicals etc. it doesn't really imply that the cows are living in some kind of paradise.  Organic ≠ cruelty-free.
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Jesse Jesse VIC Posts: 1117
3 8 Feb 2011
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Yes, all dairies will have male calves. And yes, organic only refers to what the mothers are fed. It seems there are no notable differences specified in organic standards that would require calves to be treated any different to calves from non-organic dairies.

One can hope that people running organic dairies are more conscious of animal welfare, or at least that because organic farms are generally smaller, they may have more time to tend to individual animals. But without visiting a farm yourself it's really hard to know. And ultimately all dairies will have to find some way to 'dispose' of male calves - whether it is selling them to be raised for beef or breeding stock, or sent to the slaughterhouse at 5 days of age.

And this note posted to an Animals Australia discussion board, would seem to suggest that at least some organic dairies seem to have little regard (disdain even) for animal welfare. sad

Soy in my tea said:
My friend just received the following unbelievably offensive, unprofessional and patronising email from Organic Valley WA in response to her enquiry re their dairy practices:

"The cows at Organic Valley have a wonderful life. The cows are housed in a exotic mansion that consists of 12 double bedrooms & 12 Bathrooms. Each Bathroom has its own invigorating, organic, mineral-water spa. Sometimes as a treat the cows are allowed to fill the spa with Cleopatrica's bath milk. It's great for their complexions you know!  

In the morning they are given a choice of a Traditional Thai Massage or a Swedish massage, using only organic essential oils. This is followed in the afternoon with a Reflexology & Foot Massage. For those cows that are particularly fatigued after their massages, a travelator has been installed to allow them to move at their leisure from one side of the farm to the other.

Tail docking, what's that? Our calves have beautiful, glossy, hairy tails. A qualified hairdresser comes in every day to give all the cows & the calves a shampoo & blow-wave, using only premium organic shampoo, of course.

We have a special nursery for our Bobby Calves where they are instructed in the latest Montessori & Suzuki theory of raising a well-balanced, confident calf with no self esteem issues. All the Bobby Calf drawings are framed & displayed on the dairy wall for all to admire & a gallery is going to be built shortly.

We sincerely hope that this has addressed all your concerns & we look forward to hearing from you soon.

Cheers from Exhausted Sally,
Head Massager Organic Valley

P.S. Daisy & the gang, said to say Hi"

I am in shock!
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Clud Clud VIC Posts: 1559
4 8 Feb 2011
Omg that is disgusting!
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ZoolNerd ZoolNerd NSW Posts: 1005
5 8 Feb 2011
That needs to be made public. Animals Australia needs to show thats what the Dairy Industry replys with..
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RaV3N RaV3N WA Posts: 2152
6 8 Feb 2011
ZoolNerd said:
That needs to be made public. Animals Australia needs to show thats what the Dairy Industry replys with..
I'm sure they would just deny it....
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Jesse Jesse VIC Posts: 1117
7 8 Feb 2011
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RaV3N said:
ZoolNerd said:
That needs to be made public. Animals Australia needs to show thats what the Dairy Industry replys with..
I'm sure they would just deny it....
Haha... yeah. Actually, a few supporters have written to the same company to express their disgust at the response. This was their response:
"This has nothing to do with us. We are a fruit & veg wholesaler. Recently, we had  our computer hacked into & we have had to replace our computer & re-install our files etc.
This is obviously, just someone's idea of a joke."

But really, what hacker would access a computer to send off a prank response to a customer inquiry?
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EarthDefender EarthDefender QLD Posts: 270
8 8 Feb 2011
Why did that person ask a fruit and veg supplier how they treat their cows?:-/
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Karen Karen Australia Posts: 993
9 8 Feb 2011
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EarthDefender said:
Why did that person ask a fruit and veg supplier how they treat their cows?:-/
Check their site - they supply organic dairy as well.

Curiouser and curiouser!
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EarthDefender EarthDefender QLD Posts: 270
10 9 Feb 2011
Karen said:
EarthDefender said:
Why did that person ask a fruit and veg supplier how they treat their cows?:-/
Check their site - they supply organic dairy as well.

Curiouser and curiouser!
Ah I see. So the company is full of sh*t when they replied that they only sell fruit and veg...
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