I didnt say painless i said Australian abs are leaders in there field. If they are going to slaughter animals much better to do it quickly and cleanly than in slaughterhouses in third world countries.
And i dont need a reality check ive actually been inside the live export boats so ive seen the real thing something im pretty sure you havent
I never claimed I have been in one - nor would I ever want to.
You seem to have a problem with animals being physically harmed, unless it directly affects them getting onto your plate.
Can i ask why do you all think when a farmer needs to save money the first thing he of she does is mistreat animals. Farmers do cut costs but the last thing they will do is put at risk there livelhoods.
If a farmer says they have to cut costs usually this means
1. Not updating any equipment.
2. Cutting back on inputs - Fertisers
- Spray programs
- Pasture improvement
Never have i heard a farmer say " Gee i need to make some more money im not gona fed the cattle for a couple of weeks".
I think it can be all of above. Each farmer is different in character, and it is their character that will influence what costs they choose to cut - as you would expect with any business. I think it is too far of a generalisation to lump all farmers together and make the assumption that they will cut costs on providing adequate food and medical treatment for their 'stock'. I also think that it is too far of a generalisation to lump all members of this forum (if that is whom you address) into a singular mindset over an issue.
And i dont need a reality check ive actually been inside the live export boats so ive seen the real thing something im pretty sure you havent
Our investigators have actually been to witness what Australian animal endure in destination countries during peak export seasons. Take a look at the video on this page taken late last year and let us know if it changes your impression of the live export trade...
If you can stomach the whole video you'll also see what happens to dairy cattle that have the unfortunate fate of being exported to these countries.
The Australian live export industry has been knowingly supplying millions of animals to this fate for decades. If this isn't a complete disregard for animal welfare for the love of money I don't know what is.
even if Australia's one of the leaders for the way we treat stock animals or whatever that doesn't make it ok...
to us that's like saying "Australia's meth labs are the safest in the world" or "crystal meth is better for you than heroin, so lets all go take some meth"
I'm sorry Daniel but I don't think you're going to get anywhere with your arguments on this forum
I suppose all I can say is "ditto" to what everyone else has said.
Daniel, nobody has ever suggested that a farmer sets out to decrease animal welfare standards in order to save money. Certainly some of the cutbacks a farmer may make could possibly be detrimental to the welfare of an animal, just as the animal welfare conditions could be held in a state of stasis, neither improving or worsening. That, in my opinion, is almost as bad as conditions worsening.
Just because we may not have PERSONALLY witnessed live export in the flesh, it does not mean that we have not researched and sought non-biased information on the topic. I think you'll find that while perhaps not true for all members of this site, most of us seek to be as informed as possible regarding every aspect of animal welfare in Australia, whether in a factory farm or a ship to Russia, because then we know what we're standing for, and what we're fighting against. Do not demean us or treat us as though we are ignorant, when we are not. (Still generalising, but I know most of you fit this generalisation, if not all)
