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Jesse Jesse VIC Posts: 1117
61 3 Sep 2009
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eMMA-Lee said:
jump racing is cruel to horses, but without it there would be more unnecessary deaths?
Jumps racing is more likely to delay the slaughter of a horse, than it is to prevent it. Those horses that don't get put down due to injuries during training or races (which accounts for a large number of them) are most likely going to end up at the slaughterhouse once they're no longer profitable as a jumps horse.

There's no retirement plan for race horses (jumps or otherwise).

Aside from their death, jumps racing also causes other problems, such as injuries from falls and pulmonary bleeding (blood in the lungs). Bleeding in the lungs occurs due to the high impact of running and jumping over hurdles. This is a problem with flat races too, but is worse with hurdles.

Jumps racing reveals the worst side of the racing industry (not that any side is very nice side). It provides a means to milk a few dollars out of horses that haven't made it or are past their peak in flats. So the reason to target jumps racing would be to end the worst of the worst and reduce the profitability of breeding horses to excess.

Hope this clears things up...
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- Kitty Freak - - Kitty Freak - SA Posts: 1071
62 3 Sep 2009
Matt.Y said:
eMMA-Lee said:
oh, so we kind of ruined it for all those protestors then??
I hope not. They put in a lot of work. I can't imagine there would be such a simple flaw to the whole campaign anyway.

I'm sure any minute someone will comment here what I'm hoping for (Why are we trying to ban jumps racing?!)

I think I'm gonna start a new thread if we still get no answers.
i havent answered becuase im thinking quite a bit about this.

i really hope were not doing it backwards.

But i think, since jumps racing is already on a ball and people are starting to dislike it, rating are going down etc were trying to get it banned then work on flat racing. Because its alot more popular then jumps racing and will take a much much longer time to get banned, i guess were getting the easiest one done faster.

Im not quite sure to be honest, ill ask around when i goto the next protest this saturday.
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- Kitty Freak - - Kitty Freak - SA Posts: 1071
63 3 Sep 2009
Jesse said:
eMMA-Lee said:
jump racing is cruel to horses, but without it there would be more unnecessary deaths?
Jumps racing is more likely to delay the slaughter of a horse, than it is to prevent it. Those horses that don't get put down due to injuries during training or races (which accounts for a large number of them) are most likely going to end up at the slaughterhouse once they're no longer profitable as a jumps horse.

There's no retirement plan for race horses (jumps or otherwise).

Aside from their death, jumps racing also causes other problems, such as injuries from falls and pulmonary bleeding (blood in the lungs). Bleeding in the lungs occurs due to the high impact of running and jumping over hurdles. This is a problem with flat races too, but is worse with hurdles.

Jumps racing reveals the worst side of the racing industry (not that any side is very nice side). It provides a means to milk a few dollars out of horses that haven't made it or are past their peak in flats. So the reason to target jumps racing would be to end the worst of the worst and reduce the profitability of breeding horses to excess.

Hope this clears things up...
ahh thank you jesse, im glad you jumped in, I wasnt quite sure about it all. thank you for clearing it up for me too. happy
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emileee emileee NSW Posts: 514
64 3 Sep 2009
Jesse said:
eMMA-Lee said:
jump racing is cruel to horses, but without it there would be more unnecessary deaths?
There's no retirement plan for race horses (jumps or otherwise).
If the horses are winners and well know to the public, then of course they will be retired. They will go to stud to produce more winners..

I can remember a coulple of years ago, it was big news in australia when Makybe Diva had her first foal. I bet she spends the rest of her life in lush-green-meadows where she belongs happy naawww
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_Matt _Matt VIC Posts: 1567
65 3 Sep 2009
Jesse said:
Jumps racing is more likely to delay the slaughter of a horse, than it is to prevent it. Those horses that don't get put down due to injuries during training or races (which accounts for a large number of them) are most likely going to end up at the slaughterhouse once they're no longer profitable as a jumps horse.
Do we know for sure that the majority will be slaughtered, versus being retired to a paddock or something. Arghh, unfortunately I can probably answer this for myself.


Jesse said:
So the reason to target jumps racing would be to end the worst of the worst and reduce the profitability of breeding horses to excess.
So in theory, if we ban jumps racing, will regular race horses breeders be less inclined to breed to excess? Or is this just wishful thinking? I mean, won't they make money either way by selling 'extra' and 'rejected' horses to either the Jumps people or the slaughter house?
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Jesse Jesse VIC Posts: 1117
67 3 Sep 2009
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Matt.Y said:
Jesse said:
Jumps racing is more likely to delay the slaughter of a horse, than it is to prevent it. Those horses that don't get put down due to injuries during training or races (which accounts for a large number of them) are most likely going to end up at the slaughterhouse once they're no longer profitable as a jumps horse.
Do we know for sure that the majority will be slaughtered, versus being retired to a paddock or something. Arghh, unfortunately I can probably answer this for myself.


Jesse said:
So the reason to target jumps racing would be to end the worst of the worst and reduce the profitability of breeding horses to excess.
So in theory, if we ban jumps racing, will regular race horses breeders be less inclined to breed to excess? Or is this just wishful thinking? I mean, won't they make money either way by selling 'extra' and 'rejected' horses to either the Jumps people or the slaughter house?
It may make them less inclined, but would not stop it. Breeding race horses to get a winning horse is a bit like breeding cats till you get one with stripes .. sadly the ones that aren't fast enough just get  killed. But these horses aren't worth much to sell for slaughter, so jumps racing offers a way to possibly make a few extra bucks off a 'dud' flats horse before they're killed.
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Jesse Jesse VIC Posts: 1117
68 3 Sep 2009
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- Vegan Freak - said:
its alot more popular then jumps racing and will take a much much longer time to get banned, i guess were getting the easiest one done faster.
You're also right on this point Vegan Freak. Even amongst race goers there are many who are appalled by jumps racing. So it is definitely an achievable battle at this point ... and simply talking about jumps racing opens up the opportunity to highlight the problems with horse racing in general (eg. whips, injuries, excessive breeding, early death, etc, etc, etc)
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Jesse Jesse VIC Posts: 1117
69 3 Sep 2009
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If you read between the lines, what he's really saying is, these animals are only a money making venture for me. If I can't make money off em then I'll kill em.

One trainer actually threatened to send his horses head to the Minister for Racing if he banned jumps racing. Does that sound at all like someone who cares about his animals?

Imagine someone threatening to cut their dog's head off? ... that's not the sort of person who should ever be charged with looking after an animal! Ever!
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