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Cesar Millan kicks dogs!

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Zara Zara NSW Posts: 1
91 2 Mar 2012
He isn't causing any serious harm, my dog has been hit far worse by his previous owners, his tail has a kink in it from being broken an unpaired. So watching Ceaser simply be a 'pack leader' I don't care, in an actual pack the alpha would bite the other dog, and make it bleed. Get over what he's doing, he's saved so many dogs and isn't this supposed to be an animal rights site? Or saving dogs doesn't count..?

This isn't the cruelty case you're looking for *waves hand*
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..1 ..1 TAS Posts: 2265
92 2 Mar 2012
Just thought I'd say that I've been hating on Cesar all through this thread, but then I actually watched a season of his show, and I want to take back everything I said. Cesar is awesome and I've fixed heaps of behaviour problems in my dogs by using his techniques.
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
93 5 Mar 2012
I can't remember whether I mentioned this earlier, if I have oh well I'm mentioning it again. Cesar is an inspiring person who, when it comes to dogs has his head on straight.
Alot of people breed there dogs (backyard breeding) before getting them desexed because they want to carry on the dog's "legacy". I love Cesar's suggestion of adopting a puppy, letting the pup grow up with the older dog, and the puppy is almost certain to adopt the same mannerisms as the older dog, with the older dog being the "role model". happy
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
94 5 Mar 2012
I wonder whether the people who are against this kicking are also against the smacking of a child's bum when they have done something wrong?
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4_da_animals1 4_da_animals1 SA Posts: 3293
95 6 Mar 2012
4_da_animals1 said:
I wonder whether the people who are against this kicking are also against the smacking of a child's bum when they have done something wrong?
I just realised how condescending I sound in this post. Not meaning offense.. peace
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Deespark Deespark QLD Posts: 328
96 8 Mar 2012
My main problem with him is he makes people believe in the dominance theory.
http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance/?/dominance.php
http://www.apdt.com/about/ps/dominance.aspx
http://www.nonlineardogs.com/
Those are just a few links about the disproven theory.

As well as that, he uses outdated methods to train dogs. Yes I understand his methods for red-zone dogs. The ones that will be put down etc. and he wants results very fast, but then after that he should work with them with positive methods. For the ones that aren't about to be put down, positive methods will work better, for the long term. He fights aggression with aggression a lot of the time, which doesn't work well in fixing the behaviour long term. He also scares and intimidates dogs to get them to do what he wants, or in some cases just forces the dogs, while they are also still scared (like when he has pulled a few terrified dogs up into the car by their neck to try and get them over their fear. Though they never really get over the fear, they just learn that they have to do it anyway to avoid being forced up via being dragged by their collar).
His methods personally don't agree with me or my morals, especially not when there is more effective AND humane ways to train.

He is very good at the method he uses though, his timing is great, he has the patience. But it shouldn't be shown on tv. I see to many people trying to use his methods with no experience, and it doesn't turn out well. Yes they have said to not use the methods by yourself on the show, but really, you can't expect everyone to listen to the warning. Usually I would say if they don't listen to the warning, that's their fault. But it matters more to me when their going to hurt dogs because they have no experience.

Other then his horrible methods (and i know he is far from the worst of trainers, I still consider his methods bad though), he has done a lot of good things. His promoted the pitbull, his promoted shelter dogs, he's saved dogs from being put down and even though he might not use the nicest methods his heart is in the right place, and from the looks of the newer episodes he seems to be changing into a more positive trainer. I've seen him try out a few positive methods, however he hasn't learned enough about them or had much practise with them, so he often does them wrong. But he tries none the less. He promotes exercising your dog. He promotes de sexing pets. He is all around a great guy for dogs, minus  method he uses.

Also I have less of an issue with the kicks he gives dogs (to be honest, some of the "kicks" shown in the video hit softer then I hit my dog in play. Then again my dog is the rough and tumble type who I could probably bash and he'd wag his tail thinking it's a game). I have more of an issue with the damage he could give to some dogs necks, and really the more emotional damage. He scares and confuses a lot of dogs, it can be kind of sad to watch some of his shows.
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Emma Chelsey Emma Chelsey NSW Posts: 1
97 14 May 2012
I agree. Cesar milan is never violent, cruel or a abusive towards animals. He is working with extreme cases and is very good at what he does. Veterinary Behaviourists may have their say also but I believe that his techniques and ways of reasoning with a dog and his practical experience with and understanding dogs is remarkable. I don't know anyone who can walk with 40 pit balls off leash at once...
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Mark4 Mark4 VIC Posts: 1
98 16 May 2012
There is absolutely no point in arguing with the miss-guided "Positive Training Bunch", trust me I tried it in the past. Fact is that they would rather kill a dog than employ a technique that does not fit with their idealistic belief. Have a look at Victoria Stilwell the "God of Positive Dog Training". (Her words not mine!).

Check out the episode with the Black Cooker Spaniel the one she recommend to be put down. Where was her compassion for dogs than. You see I would have had no problem if she would have taken the dog work with it for a few month get other people to help and at the end of it say look this dog is un-fixable. But no after just one or two consultation her recommendation was to kill the dog. After that episode for me her credibility has gone to zero.

I employ Cesar Milan methods as wel, Il have had 18 dogs (currently 2 GSD and 1 PomX) do you know how many of my dogs were/are aggressive, anxious, fearful nervous etc. NONE!

How many times have you heard Cesar recommending that a dog should be put to death! The guy takes the dog works with the dog he even exchanges the dog for one of his own I mean to me he seem to be doing anything just to avoid killing the dog.

The man saved the lives of thousands of dogs not just the ones he worked with but by his influence others as well simply teaching owners through his TV shows, DVD, Books etc how to own a well balanced dog.

Now Steve Austin might be a great dog trainer but lets face it till I met him at NDTF I thought Steve Austin was the guy from the TV show: "Most Dangerous."

If you want to fight against something fight against BSL. Not a man who has dedicated his life and work to saving the lives of animals.

Not to mention until you have the same track record as him, how dare you criticize the man, just because you read a few books and surfed the net.

Did you know that more dogs die due to behavior problems than to any other reason combined?

The way I see it Positive Nuts can talk as much as they want but at the end of the day that is all they are doing and talk is cheap.

Cheers
Mark
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lindsaykissmm lindsaykissmm NSW Posts: 2
99 16 May 2012
This gay is sick enough. How could be doing this? Dogs are our best friends.
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lindsaykissmm lindsaykissmm NSW Posts: 2
100 16 May 2012
We should take care of dogs, such like provide them with good living conditions, not torture them.
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