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OinkMoo OinkMoo NSW Posts: 1340
11 5 May 2011
i cant bring my self to watch it, i know how pigs dig and root up the ground - infact i actually have a pig, and to be honest he doesnt dig it up to the point of destruction, yes he digs the ground but he prefers to swim around and roll in the mud. my pig lives with 3 lambs and they are all good friends happy  shilo ( pig) digs up the ground - like a plow- and pushes the dirt back over and the grass grows back even better for the sheep... he is quiet the lil plow happy .. he does a better job then the tractor
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xMISSMONSTERx xMISSMONSTERx WA Posts: 2582
12 5 May 2011
Shooter said:
JMort said:
I'm not exactly sure how they can sit there and say 'there is no cruelness and they die straight away' when the pig that got killed in the video was screaming when getting it's flesh bitten into by dogs until the couple of blokes ran down there and plunged a knife into it. It's fairly easy to say that when you are sitting around sinking suds with a few mates, especially with a camera hanging around.

'Pest' or not that is no way to die if there is an alternative. Other than that, I thought it was fairly weird - I mean, to sentence a species to death because they like to dig and eat? Because that's essentially what I got out of it, but then again maybe I'm just not seeing it from the right perspective. Lets be honest, Shooter, this is all about money, not the land or the environment. They just happen to be the means to the end. I figured that out as soon as they started putting a value on the land.
'Eating and digging' destroys the natural environment. Much more than just for land. Have you seen the way the pigs dig up ground and destroyed the natural environment?
Oh right, so its justifiable when humans do it and pigs get hunted when they do it on a much smaller scale... That sounds fair
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Compostkitty Compostkitty NSW Posts: 780
13 6 May 2011
Shooter said:
JMort said:
I'm not exactly sure how they can sit there and say 'there is no cruelness and they die straight away' when the pig that got killed in the video was screaming when getting it's flesh bitten into by dogs until the couple of blokes ran down there and plunged a knife into it. It's fairly easy to say that when you are sitting around sinking suds with a few mates, especially with a camera hanging around.

'Pest' or not that is no way to die if there is an alternative. Other than that, I thought it was fairly weird - I mean, to sentence a species to death because they like to dig and eat? Because that's essentially what I got out of it, but then again maybe I'm just not seeing it from the right perspective. Lets be honest, Shooter, this is all about money, not the land or the environment. They just happen to be the means to the end. I figured that out as soon as they started putting a value on the land.
'Eating and digging' destroys the natural environment. Much more than just for land. Have you seen the way the pigs dig up ground and destroyed the natural environment?
i grew up where i knew a lot of people who claimed to be hunters and would use that as an excuse.
but here is what i thought why do they shoot these things that you rarely see? clearly its over run and they need to be killed. hunters talk like these creatures are running around and casually strolling down the main streets of the country towns.

i had to go hunting with one of my mums parter as a kid and it took ages for him to actually find something to shoot .
after that i knew i wanted nothing to do with anyone who thought hunting was great because in fact its just selfish and a reason for men/women to think they are powerful, when in fact they are far from it.
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Nobody Nobody QLD Posts: 593
14 6 May 2011
Has anybody seen the hunting magazines in newsagents? I was looking at the gaming mags and and I noticed nearby hunting mags, which I didn't even know existed. I glanced at the covers and there was one in particular that I thought was rather vulgar, It was titled "boars and babes" or something ridiculous like that. On the cover was a half naked bimbo next to the corpse of a wild pig.  
... I don't think hunters care about the environment. I didn't see any "killing animals and planting trees" magazines.
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Shooter, I found that video very disturbing. The pig was screaming for its life.  cry
Thanks for sharing your opinion, but it hasn't changed mine (actually I think it strengthened mine).
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Kick Kick VIC Posts: 540
15 6 May 2011
Okay Shooter, so after watching the video again. I'm still not entirely sure which part of it you see as beneficial to your 'cause'.

Is there any particular part that you would like to discuss?
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Shooter Shooter VIC Posts: 117
16 6 May 2011
xMISSMONSTERx said:
Shooter said:
JMort said:
I'm not exactly sure how they can sit there and say 'there is no cruelness and they die straight away' when the pig that got killed in the video was screaming when getting it's flesh bitten into by dogs until the couple of blokes ran down there and plunged a knife into it. It's fairly easy to say that when you are sitting around sinking suds with a few mates, especially with a camera hanging around.

'Pest' or not that is no way to die if there is an alternative. Other than that, I thought it was fairly weird - I mean, to sentence a species to death because they like to dig and eat? Because that's essentially what I got out of it, but then again maybe I'm just not seeing it from the right perspective. Lets be honest, Shooter, this is all about money, not the land or the environment. They just happen to be the means to the end. I figured that out as soon as they started putting a value on the land.
'Eating and digging' destroys the natural environment. Much more than just for land. Have you seen the way the pigs dig up ground and destroyed the natural environment?
Oh right, so its justifiable when humans do it and pigs get hunted when they do it on a much smaller scale... That sounds fair
You know what, you're right. We as humans have made mistakes, like introducing feral animals that destroy the environment and because we made those mistakes we shouldn't try and do anything about them. It would be hypocritical, lets just watch them destroy everything.

Edit: the reason  I posted this video was to show pig hunting from the other side. Also, I think the way they killed the pig was human as possible, he ran pretty quickly over to the pig and killed it as quickly as possible.
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xMISSMONSTERx xMISSMONSTERx WA Posts: 2582
17 6 May 2011
Shooter said:
xMISSMONSTERx said:
Shooter said:
JMort said:
I'm not exactly sure how they can sit there and say 'there is no cruelness and they die straight away' when the pig that got killed in the video was screaming when getting it's flesh bitten into by dogs until the couple of blokes ran down there and plunged a knife into it. It's fairly easy to say that when you are sitting around sinking suds with a few mates, especially with a camera hanging around.

'Pest' or not that is no way to die if there is an alternative. Other than that, I thought it was fairly weird - I mean, to sentence a species to death because they like to dig and eat? Because that's essentially what I got out of it, but then again maybe I'm just not seeing it from the right perspective. Lets be honest, Shooter, this is all about money, not the land or the environment. They just happen to be the means to the end. I figured that out as soon as they started putting a value on the land.
'Eating and digging' destroys the natural environment. Much more than just for land. Have you seen the way the pigs dig up ground and destroyed the natural environment?
Oh right, so its justifiable when humans do it and pigs get hunted when they do it on a much smaller scale... That sounds fair
You know what, you're right. We as humans have made mistakes, like introducing feral animals that destroy the environment and because we made those mistakes we shouldn't try and do anything about them. It would be hypocritical, lets just watch them destroy everything.

Edit: the reason  I posted this video was to show pig hunting from the other side. Also, I think the way they killed the pig was human as possible, he ran pretty quickly over to the pig and killed it as quickly as possible.
humans are animals which destroy the environment everywhere we go as well.
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JMort JMort VIC Posts: 248
18 7 May 2011
Shooter said:
You know what, you're right. We as humans have made mistakes, like introducing feral animals that destroy the environment and because we made those mistakes we shouldn't try and do anything about them. It would be hypocritical, lets just watch them destroy everything.

Edit: the reason  I posted this video was to show pig hunting from the other side. Also, I think the way they killed the pig was human as possible, he ran pretty quickly over to the pig and killed it as quickly as possible.
I see your logic, but you have to remember that they are being given a death sentence for something that they do on instinct. That's hardly fair on the animal now is it? You wouldn't like it if a person you know was killed because they vandalised something right?

Regarding your edit - Granted, the knifework was impressive. No doubt the man was a veteran of such things and the kill was probably swift indeed. Unfortunately, they ran over there anything but 'pretty quickly'. Fair enough that may be their top speed but remember every second they take to get there, that animal is being savaged by dogs. The screams were audible for far too long to try and argue that the death was humane, much less to argue there is 'no cruelness'. What happens when a not so experienced hand attempts the kill and botches it?

Too many things are wrong with this from my perspective for me to be even close to satisfied with 'their' side of it. To summise for you  succinctly to avoid any misunderstanding:

1. A death sentence for an animal acting on instinct when alternatives exist.
2. Humans having the audacity to kill another species for crimes itself has committed and continues to do so.
3. The claims that the death was humane, that the kill involves no 'cruelness' when the video clearly shows otherwise.
4. That there always seems to be a monetary value attached to thinly veiled claims of environmental concerns.

I might revisit this post better when I am in a clearer state of mind.
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Shooter Shooter VIC Posts: 117
19 7 May 2011
"1. A death sentence for an animal acting on instinct when alternatives exist.
2. Humans having the audacity to kill another species for crimes itself has committed and continues to do so.
3. The claims that the death was humane, that the kill involves no 'cruelness' when the video clearly shows otherwise.
4. That there always seems to be a monetary value attached to thinly veiled claims of environmental concerns." -JMort

1. I have never been shown on VIABLE alternative.
2. One of the biggest things I can do for the environment is help eradicate feral species, however I can not control what a big business does in Australia or another country.
3. The death was human as possible, he ran of as fast as he could to kill the animals after it had be subdued by the dogs. As you saw he got injured, he wasn't shy to get in a quickly as possible.
4. Sure, their is also the monetary side of things, in this case his farm land was being destroyed, his income was at risk. I guess he should just sit back and watch?
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Compostkitty Compostkitty NSW Posts: 780
20 7 May 2011
Shooter said:
"1. A death sentence for an animal acting on instinct when alternatives exist.
2. Humans having the audacity to kill another species for crimes itself has committed and continues to do so.
3. The claims that the death was humane, that the kill involves no 'cruelness' when the video clearly shows otherwise.
4. That there always seems to be a monetary value attached to thinly veiled claims of environmental concerns." -JMort

1. I have never been shown on VIABLE alternative.
2. One of the biggest things I can do for the environment is help eradicate feral species, however I can not control what a big business does in Australia or another country.
3. The death was human as possible, he ran of as fast as he could to kill the animals after it had be subdued by the dogs. As you saw he got injured, he wasn't shy to get in a quickly as possible.
4. Sure, their is also the monetary side of things, in this case his farm land was being destroyed, his income was at risk. I guess he should just sit back and watch?
the only way it would of been humane is if it didn't happen in the first place which is always the better option. or it was killed with one shot and not have to have someone "run in"
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