I would like to ask you what experiences you have had with people on the land to have resulted in such harsh views on us.
I grew up surrounded by dairy farms, I still live in a district where dairy is the main industry. This is not an "us v them" issue. Nobody is going vegan to spite "people on the land".
Haha, that sounds siily 'Spite people on the land' goodness sake
I consider myself a reasonable person, and I have yet to hear an argument that has convinced me animal agriculture is a positive in any way.
Cassie, you seem to be a fan of pointing out how privileged and fortunate we are as a country. I agree whole heartedly. We are fortunate enough to be in the position where we can make choices about what we will and won't support, and still have enough to eat at the end of the day. However, I believe we have an obligation and a duty to make ethical choices and as it stands, I don't believe the meat, dairy or egg industries come anywhere close to an ethical choice.
There are the obvious disregards of animal welfare. Of sentient, gentle, beings with strong family bonds being ripped away from each other, forced to live in too-close quarters, clumsily handled, and killed often before they've seen sunlight.
There's the environmental degradation caused by factory farming (one of the top contributors of greenhouse gases), grazing and land-clearing to accommodate the 80 or so per cent of grain and soy that is used to feed livestock (and NOT, as it happens, the children in third world countries you are so concerned about.)
"Like it or not we are at the top of the food chain and we humans are carnivores from forever ago. If it weren't for the human race the animals would self distruct. Fact."
As a biology major at university I find this argument the most annoying by carnists. Purely based on our biology, our bodies function much better on a plant based diet.
I consider myself a reasonable person, and I have yet to hear an argument that has convinced me animal agriculture is a positive in any way.
Cassie, you seem to be a fan of pointing out how privileged and fortunate we are as a country. I agree whole heartedly. We are fortunate enough to be in the position where we can make choices about what we will and won't support, and still have enough to eat at the end of the day. However, I believe we have an obligation and a duty to make ethical choices and as it stands, I don't believe the meat, dairy or egg industries come anywhere close to an ethical choice.
There are the obvious disregards of animal welfare. Of sentient, gentle, beings with strong family bonds being ripped away from each other, forced to live in too-close quarters, clumsily handled, and killed often before they've seen sunlight.
There's the environmental degradation caused by factory farming (one of the top contributors of greenhouse gases), grazing and land-clearing to accommodate the 80 or so per cent of grain and soy that is used to feed livestock (and NOT, as it happens, the children in third world countries you are so concerned about.)
I like your idea!
And how would eating meat and supporting animal industries in Australia help people in third world countries who are starving?
I consider myself a reasonable person, and I have yet to hear an argument that has convinced me animal agriculture is a positive in any way.
Cassie, you seem to be a fan of pointing out how privileged and fortunate we are as a country. I agree whole heartedly. We are fortunate enough to be in the position where we can make choices about what we will and won't support, and still have enough to eat at the end of the day. However, I believe we have an obligation and a duty to make ethical choices and as it stands, I don't believe the meat, dairy or egg industries come anywhere close to an ethical choice.
There are the obvious disregards of animal welfare. Of sentient, gentle, beings with strong family bonds being ripped away from each other, forced to live in too-close quarters, clumsily handled, and killed often before they've seen sunlight.
There's the environmental degradation caused by factory farming (one of the top contributors of greenhouse gases), grazing and land-clearing to accommodate the 80 or so per cent of grain and soy that is used to feed livestock (and NOT, as it happens, the children in third world countries you are so concerned about.)
I like your idea!
And how would eating meat and supporting animal industries in Australia help people in third world countries who are starving?
Love that. Can't believe no one else has put it so simply and eloquently so far Some people just assume that because we're veg all we care about is the animals and don't give a rats about people too. It's just not true. I'm hoping on doing a volunteer trip next year in maybe cambodia or thailand in community development, you get to see exactly where your money is going and actually meet the people you're helping rather than just donating to some organisation back home.
LISTEN I am not a factory farmer of beef. I am a beef producer on open range so DONT accuse me of factory farming again.
And don't start me on land clearing. There have been isolated cases of overclearing but I'm afraid you know tiddly shit if you think that land clearing is a problem. If you want to see some trees, go west young one. Between trees and kangaroos I have a devil of a job finding my house haha. Cheers
You must have lobbied very well if only your Uncle within your family continues to eat meat. Well done.... Maybe he will join the 1% of vegetarians currently in this country. Then maybe he can take a trip over to Somalia and wave some roast beef under the noses of the poor little creatures only to rip it away and say 'oh no you can't have that, we must all follow a vegan lifestyle'. Sorry but it is unrealistic to think that all people will turn to the vegan lifestyle. Period. What AA needs to lobby is that all meat is grown and processed in the most humane way possible. That is a realistic goal. Cheers
Where did this 1% come from? Where all these other facts have come from... No where?? Because i find it hard to believe it is 1%.. Id really enjoy knowing where your facts come from
And your the worst. Cos you dont kill them, you get them sent to kill
Ahhhhh you did the old 'your' instead of 'you're'. My pet hate but I won't let that disturb me tonight. My info comes from MLA literature but I am sure that Google would provide it too. Cheers
LISTEN I am not a factory farmer of beef. I am a beef producer on open range so DONT accuse me of factory farming again.
And don't start me on land clearing. There have been isolated cases of overclearing but I'm afraid you know tiddly shit if you think that land clearing is a problem. If you want to see some trees, go west young one. Between trees and kangaroos I have a devil of a job finding my house haha. Cheers
I think most of us have realised that your cattle aren't in a CAFO on your property. But that still doesn't answer the question about slaughterhouses...
As a western australian land clearing is a major issue here, land clearing in the wheat belt is the cause of salinity there which turns the area into a barren wasteland. The land clearing issue is dependent on the different parts of the country. Plus you'll find that we are a fairly global lot and talk about the world as a whole (everything is connected after all) not just a state or a country.
'Spite people on the land' goodness sake 
