So are you in favour of the family farm or not. Would you like to see us all self sufficient. If that is the case then you had better buy up your little hobby farm and start eating only what you produce. Again good luck. Cheers
I'm currently planning a backyard garden for when I move out of home, as a vegetarian I can quite simply take care of my entire diet with some careful planning and by putting in the effort. I want to be completely self sufficient, eat seasonally, get back to nature a little bit. I'm in favour of family farms over factory farms but abolitionism would be the ideal. I would love to see every back yard growing food plants rather than decorative ones, would be much more efficient.
Cassie3, AA would be receptive to a healthy debate but the aggression and intolerant attitude you're displaying along with name calling and personal attacks is just not condusive to such a debate.
And if your goal in posting in this forum was to clear up "misconceptions about the grazing industry" then your attitude is really hindering this.
Firstly, you need to accept that you're speaking to a forum filled with vegetarians so starting off calling then "self indulgent, ignorant, selfish" was never going to help your cause.
Please try and put your point accross calmly without attacking anyone in the process. It might really help people see things from your side rather than have them get defensive from the get-go.
I don't think AA is at all interested in a healthy debate, far from it. There maybe a small number of members who are interested in hearing the other side but they are shot down in flames if they dare show any understanding. On the whole AA is full of bullies with attitude. Not likely to gleen any understanding from the mainstream population. Cheers
I don't think AA is at all interested in a healthy debate, far from it. There maybe a small number of members who are interested in hearing the other side but they are shot down in flames if they dare show any understanding. On the whole AA is full of bullies with attitude. Not likely to gleen any understanding from the mainstream population. Cheers
I think you need to remember that we're all individuals with different views though, we don't actually represent Animals Australia the organisation any more than you do, we support them but our individual thoughts don't necessarily reflect the position of the organisation. Except perhaps the admins.
And also remember that there are strong feelings about this issue, on both sides. You feel that we threaten your lifestyle and how you make a living. We feel that profit doesn't justify the cruelty of factory farms and slaughterhouses, most of us see farmed animals in the same way as our dogs or as the whales that Japan hunts (that most Australians oppose), and since we couldn't ever conceive of eating them we couldn't eat farmed animals either (Why love one and eat another?). This issue is something very close to our hearts and like anyone with a passion for something we get frustrated when it gets belittled.
I don't think AA is at all interested in a healthy debate, far from it. There maybe a small number of members who are interested in hearing the other side but they are shot down in flames if they dare show any understanding. On the whole AA is full of bullies with attitude. Not likely to gleen any understanding from the mainstream population. Cheers
Then the question must be asked, why did you post at all?
Cassie, the definition of a factory farm is not clear-cut.
I don't know your farm, I don't know the size, the production level, the conditions, etc, but rest assured I never "accused" you of running a factory farm. Also I understand you get passionate when defending your beliefs and say some things that are inappropriate, as I do from time to time, but Jesse has asked you to stop.
I've been a part of Unleashed for over 2 years now and I can safely say that they are a lovely bunch. But can you understand that people might get a bit stroppy if their first impressions of you is you calling us all self indulgent, ignorant and selfish?.
As Catyren said we are all individuals but we do share a strong belief about the way animals should be treated. I guess we have to examine each other's ideas of respect. I find it odd that someone can say they love and respect "their" animals but still send them to be slaughtered. To me, this suggests that money is of a higher priority than the life and wellbeing of your animals. I'd like to hear what you think about the whole life/welfare vs. money debate.
Cassie, the definition of a factory farm is not clear-cut.
I don't know your farm, I don't know the size, the production level, the conditions, etc, but rest assured I never "accused" you of running a factory farm. Also I understand you get passionate when defending your beliefs and say some things that are inappropriate, as I do from time to time, but Jesse has asked you to stop.
I've been a part of Unleashed for over 2 years now and I can safely say that they are a lovely bunch. But can you understand that people might get a bit stroppy if their first impressions of you is you calling us all self indulgent, ignorant and selfish?.
As Catyren said we are all individuals but we do share a strong belief about the way animals should be treated. I guess we have to examine each other's ideas of respect. I find it odd that someone can say they love and respect "their" animals but still send them to be slaughtered. To me, this suggests that money is of a higher priority than the life and wellbeing of your animals. I'd like to hear what you think about the whole life/welfare vs. money debate.
That last part reminds me of a section of Jonathan Safran Foer's book "Eating Animals", the vegetarian beef producer that he talked to.
