You won't darken our doorstep Follz. Don't make me laugh. You will stay cosied up in your little ivory tower throwing verbal daggers at we on the land. Be honest.
Enough of the self-pity. Your constant mentioning of ivory towers makes me think you're resentful of your life of profiting from misery and death.
Well his wife was but she helped him to run the place so pretty much. Or maybe they were pig producers, it doesn't make that much difference really though.
Niman Ranch, just found a reference to it in the book
Hoping to reason with the unreasonable. Yep I'm out of here. You can continue preaching to each other and swapping recipes. Sadly my buddies are correct when they said to me 'don't waste your time'. Cheers
You haven't replied reasonably to anything that has been said yet, which makes me inclined to think "troll".
Hoping to reason with the unreasonable. Yep I'm out of here. You can continue preaching to each other and swapping recipes. Sadly my buddies are correct when they said to me 'don't waste your time'. Cheers
Cassie3, you need to take a look in the mirror here. You're fighting just as hard as anyone else on here. Don't be a hypocrite. We're not 'the unreasonable'. We are the informed. You have come onto this site, not to gain perspective but to push your agenda. What did you really expect from joining an animal rights forum? And you don't seem to be listening, we've said repeatedly that we too think a complete vegan switch is unrealistic. At least in the foreseeable future. We're not hippy freaks, we're not extremists. We're informed compassionate people who can see past our own species, but that doesn't mean we don't care about humanitarianism either. Many of us are concerned about human rights too, we're concerned about politics, we're concerned about the environment and our health. We're human too and coming on here calling us names does not endear farmers to us, if anything you are being detrimental to your cause.
Bit of an oxymoron that one. What exactly do they produce the beef for. Not for others to eat I hope not.
Yes they were farming for consumption. They were welfarists, had a 'family' farm. Not sure if they're still in operation though, when the book was written a factory farm was opening next door.
You are not remotely interested in hearing the opinions of beef producers. Please don't patronize me with that pretensive rot. Every writer on this forum is on a mission to achieve the old 'feel good' and 'oh I love animals' and 'oh aren't we such good humans'. Boring, boring, boring. Cheers from a meat eating animal respecting human being......
You are not remotely interested in hearing the opinions of beef producers. Please don't patronize me with that pretensive rot. Every writer on this forum is on a mission to achieve the old 'feel good' and 'oh I love animals' and 'oh aren't we such good humans'. Boring, boring, boring. Cheers from a meat eating animal respecting human being......
Many of us have more reasons for our vegetarianism than just animal rights. I am massively interested in nutrition and health for example. Perhaps you do respect animals, but you obviously don't love animals. We do, it's just a part of who we are. You obviously can't or don't want to understand that. You have turned this into an us v. them issue. No, not turned, that was your position from the start. You don't want to even consider any of our arguments, you've barely even responded to them, you just start calling us names. Why should any of your points be given consideration if you don't give us the same courtesy?
