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oysters and mussels ok to eat cos they have no eyes

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le gabrielle le gabrielle QLD Posts: 214
11 10 Sep 2011
Aaron said:
who cares if something is vegan or vegetarian or not? It only matters what's ethical.

Like, Why do some vegetarians care about a tiny bit of rennet in cheese but have no consideration for the cow or the slaughtered calf that was meant to be drinking the milk?

Oysters dont feel pain, they have no brain, yet they are animals.
If you want to give oysters equal consideration as cows/fish/mice then there should be a better explanation than "they are animals"
and you will then need to be considerate or similar things like sponges, or ask yourself is it ethical to eat a carrot just because us humans classify it as a "vegetable" to make ourselves feel good about murdering it.
so you're a 'vegan' but you eat oysters and mussels? awkward.
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bitchanca bitchanca VIC Posts: 117
12 10 Sep 2011
Aaron said:
who cares if something is vegan or vegetarian or not? It only matters what's ethical.

Like, Why do some vegetarians care about a tiny bit of rennet in cheese but have no consideration for the cow or the slaughtered calf that was meant to be drinking the milk?
I'm a vegetarian who eats rennet-free cheese. I am of course concerned by eating dairy but I am slowly reducing dairy products from my diet. Eating rennet-free cheese is better than nothing.
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
13 10 Sep 2011
bitchanca said:
Aaron said:
who cares if something is vegan or vegetarian or not? It only matters what's ethical.

Like, Why do some vegetarians care about a tiny bit of rennet in cheese but have no consideration for the cow or the slaughtered calf that was meant to be drinking the milk?
I'm a vegetarian who eats rennet-free cheese. I am of course concerned by eating dairy but I am slowly reducing dairy products from my diet. Eating rennet-free cheese is better than nothing.
Im a vegetarian who eats as little dairy as I feel I can possibly do at the moment- I know people will say you can always do more, and there's always other substitutes. I don't drink milk, im a soy junkie! But when im eating out - If something has cheese in it im not going to have a hissy fit.
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Mean people wear fur Mean people wear fur QLD Posts: 1087
14 10 Sep 2011
ckimana said:
Funnily, I worked with a girl who was vegan yet she ate oysters coz she said they didn't have a central nervous system.
I heard it was still  unknown if they could feel pain or not...there are have been studies done but I haven't seen anything final.

They do have a nervous system, however they don't have a brain.

I don't think there's enough evidence right now to understand if they can or cannot experience pain.
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..1 ..1 TAS Posts: 2265
15 10 Sep 2011
The fact that they're part of the animal kingdom, being molluscs (like snails, octopus and squid), is enough to convince me that they are not, in any way whatsoever, even slightly vegetarian or vegan.

If they were part of the plantae or fungi kingdom maybe I would eat them. But they're in the animal kingdom, because they are animals, the fact that they can't see or think doesn't make them any less of an animal than your cat or dog. And the fact that they can't see or think does not justify eating them.
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rottweiler rottweiler SA Posts: 1907
16 10 Sep 2011
To me it's like a blind person, who has a mental disorder. They can't think, or see- does that mean they can be eaten? Lol. I used to LOVE oysters, and mum brought them not long ago thinking i'd eat them- and i was looking, contemplating.. Getting myself all worked up cos i wanted em real bad, but i didn't have them happy And mussels taste terrible anyway, so no big loss haha
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Beemo Beemo United States Posts: 1259
17 10 Sep 2011
Eating oysters would not technically be vegan as the definition of vegan is "a person who does not eat or use animal products".
But whether or not it is okay to eat oysters is debatable. To human understanding oysters are lacking a central nervous system and are therefore unable to feel pain - so therefore they are more like a plant than an animal in terms of feeling. Though they are still categorised as an animal because they have organs such as a heart, kidneys, reproductive organs etc...
Some people even argue that oysters are neither plants or animals, and belong in their own category.

In terms of oyster farming being damaging to the environment, one could argue that it is less damaging than farming plants. Plants requiring land clearing, fertilizing, insecticides etc. to grow them. Oysters don't require human interference until it is time to harvest them, so their negative impact is only minimal.

If the main reason someone went vegan was because of animal pain and suffering, then they could see it as acceptable to eat oysters as they experience neither of those things.
I'm not going to eat oysters as I don't find the idea appealing, and I never have eaten seafood, but if someone was to do so then I honestly wouldn't have a problem with it.
I don't think that just because something is classed as an animal it means it is unethical to eat it, same as if something was placed into the plant category that could experience some type of suffering would it suddenly be okay to eat it just because it is categorized as a plant?
We can only go by what current science is telling us, and that is that just like plants oysters do not feel pain.
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birdie birdie VIC Posts: 393
18 10 Sep 2011
i don't eat oysters or muscles anymore now that i'm vegetarian.. my main reason for not eating other animals and most fish is for ethical reasons, such as the pain they feel pain.. i also consider it to be a bit savage that people still murder animals and rely on them as a major food source, when we have advanced farming technologies to grow our own food.. it is unnecessary to kill animals for daily food consumption when there are plenty of other foods for us to eat.. however, for me personally, when it comes to not eating oysters and muscles it's because of environmental reasons and as i have already mentioned, we have plenty of other foods to choose from..
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali... Supercalifragilisticexpiali... QLD Posts: 199
19 10 Sep 2011
Abbiesaurus said:
Eating oysters would not technically be vegan as the definition of vegan is "a person who does not eat or use animal products".
But whether or not it is okay to eat oysters is debatable. To human understanding oysters are lacking a central nervous system and are therefore unable to feel pain - so therefore they are more like a plant than an animal in terms of feeling. Though they are still categorised as an animal because they have organs such as a heart, kidneys, reproductive organs etc...
Some people even argue that oysters are neither plants or animals, and belong in their own category.

In terms of oyster farming being damaging to the environment, one could argue that it is less damaging than farming plants. Plants requiring land clearing, fertilizing, insecticides etc. to grow them. Oysters don't require human interference until it is time to harvest them, so their negative impact is only minimal.

If the main reason someone went vegan was because of animal pain and suffering, then they could see it as acceptable to eat oysters as they experience neither of those things.
I'm not going to eat oysters as I don't find the idea appealing, and I never have eaten seafood, but if someone was to do so then I honestly wouldn't have a problem with it.
I don't think that just because something is classed as an animal it means it is unethical to eat it, same as if something was placed into the plant category that could experience some type of suffering would it suddenly be okay to eat it just because it is categorized as a plant?
We can only go by what current science is telling us, and that is that just like plants oysters do not feel pain.
I agree. Also if I had iron absorption issues I'd sooner be eating oysters (even though I don't like them) than red meat (wich I prob don't like either - dont know though, cant remember lol) as they can have over double the heme iron content of red meat (another reason I don't think much of ex vegos who started eating steak for iron *rollseyes*).
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lyds lyds NSW Posts: 300
20 11 Sep 2011
i think its still wrong.
they still are a living animal they have hearts.
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