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A TAXing Solution

Problems with Australia's new carbon tax

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VeganEra VeganEra QLD Posts: 202
1 13 Oct 2011
Australia just implemented a new carbon tax, but the number 1 offender doesn't have to pay...hmmm.

http://www.veganera.com/AVeganConservation102.htm
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Nobody Nobody QLD Posts: 593
2 13 Oct 2011
I'm going to share that on my facebook page.

I'm totally against the carbon tax. I don't see how it would help the Earth. I may be okay with it if the meat industry was also being taxed. Why should they get away without paying if they're the biggest offender? It doesn't make sense! Has the government even said why they aren't taxing meat/farming industries?
I'm guessing it's because the price of meat would become astronomical.
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Andrewxxx Andrewxxx VIC Posts: 272
4 13 Oct 2011
It's not a Greenhouse Gas Tax, it's a Carbon Tax. It kind of seems like the article doesn't really make that clear and implies the meat industry has been given an exemption.

I wouldn't have a problem with the industry being taxed for it's emissions but it's just never going to happen, the legislation which has just been passed is unpopular enough as it is. It would be political suicide.
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z1 z1 VIC Posts: 535
5 13 Oct 2011
AndrewF said:
It's not a Greenhouse Gas Tax, it's a Carbon Tax. It kind of seems like the article doesn't really make that clear and implies the meat industry has been given an exemption.

I wouldn't have a problem with the industry being taxed for it's emissions but it's just never going to happen, the legislation which has just been passed is unpopular enough as it is. It would be political suicide.
It's a Carbon Dioxide tax. We need a Carbon monoxide tax if they are serious about global warming. But I dont think they are. I think they are too embarrassed, Julia said there will be no tax, then she said there will be, now if she said no again she would look even more stupid.
Everything this goverment has done has failed. The insulation scheme, They axed Rudd, The mining tax, the Malaysia deal, the carbon tax, education infrastructure......
they haven't got a chance in hell of being re elected.
I say NO to more taxes. I think they should reward people by driving down vegetable prices and so on. But then they are so hopelessly in debt that ultimately we will have to pay for their incompetence.
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Kirrilly Kirrilly VIC Posts: 2092
6 13 Oct 2011
Thank goodness the Malaysia thing failed though
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Andrewxxx Andrewxxx VIC Posts: 272
7 13 Oct 2011
Aaron said:
AndrewF said:
It's not a Greenhouse Gas Tax, it's a Carbon Tax. It kind of seems like the article doesn't really make that clear and implies the meat industry has been given an exemption.

I wouldn't have a problem with the industry being taxed for it's emissions but it's just never going to happen, the legislation which has just been passed is unpopular enough as it is. It would be political suicide.
It's a Carbon Dioxide tax. We need a Carbon monoxide tax if they are serious about global warming. But I dont think they are. I think they are too embarrassed, Julia said there will be no tax, then she said there will be, now if she said no again she would look even more stupid.
Everything this goverment has done has failed. The insulation scheme, They axed Rudd, The mining tax, the Malaysia deal, the carbon tax, education infrastructure......
they haven't got a chance in hell of being re elected.
I say NO to more taxes. I think they should reward people by driving down vegetable prices and so on. But then they are so hopelessly in debt that ultimately we will have to pay for their incompetence.
That's probably a being a little too harsh on them haha. Axing Rudd was insane, I don't mind Gillard but she's no leader. They've gotten a bit wrong but the things they have gotten right they've done a terrible job of selling.

Mining Tax was incredible, I don't think I heard anybody from the government actually explain what a super profits tax is. I don't get how they let lobby groups convince everybody it was a bad idea to fund cuts to company tax by increasing taxes on some of the worlds richest companies, many of which are largely foreign owned. It should have been simple.

Same thing with the carbon tax, they've let the opposition run rings around them talking about "the lie" but they rarely mention that it's only a carbon tax for a transitional period until it turns into a trading scheme which is exactly what they took to the election. That makes much more sense as a talking point but instead they just say "ummm ahhh circumstances change"

Malaysia was never going to work, insulation was a good idea but it just proved how easy it is to scam money from the government, "building education revolution" was a bit of a dud in terms of the infrastructure but it was never really about improving schools, it was about stimulating the economy, which the productivity commission report said it did well. But they'd look even worse if they came out and said it's all ok because it wasn't really about education.

Debt's never good but it's unrealistic to expect the government to never have it, how many people buy a house outright? Very few us but we all expect the government to have enough money to do everything. Ours if fairly negligible when compared to almost every other country too. $180 billion or something like that? That's nothing for a federal government.

Polls always tighten come election time but I can't see them winning another term. What they need is Kevin Rudd and a good PR firm.
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TheSixthStitch TheSixthStitch Aruba Posts: 988
8 13 Oct 2011
Aaron said:
[Labor] haven't got a chance in hell of being re-elected.
Ditto. And hell is a place where politicians can't use rhetoric.


AndrewF said:
Same thing with the carbon tax, they've let the opposition run rings around them talking about "the lie" but they rarely mention that it's only a carbon tax for a transitional period until it turns into a trading scheme which is exactly what they took to the election. That makes much more sense as a talking point but instead they just say "ummm ahhh circumstances change"
To this day I stil have no idea about the specifics of the carbon tax/scheme. I suspect a good portion of the population don't either.
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